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ManusJustus on 10 July 2009
TheRealMafoo said:

 

The difference is Honduras is a representative government.

 

Honduras can have multiple terms limits added to there constitution. It just needs to be done though congress.

The Constitution is set up so that it is impossible to increase term limits, so Honduras cannot go through congress.  If a law cannot be passed or discarded legally or judicially, that is undemocratic.  In Iran, you cannot remove the Ayatollah legislatively or judicially, so it is obviously undemocratic.



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Timmah! on 10 July 2009
ManusJustus said:
Timmah! said:

He violated the balance of powers set up in the government and breaking the law. When anybody deliberately breaks the law, be he a president or a plumber, that person is a criminal.

Thats an incorrect to think about government.  Should America refuse to recognize Iraq because the current leader violated the laws and constitution of Saddam's Hussien government?  That is an extreme example, but an example of your logic nonetheless.

There is no use to lie or try and fool anybody, its obvious that your reasoning is that you dont like Zedalya (sp?) so you draw from another argument to justify your desire to have him removed from office.  Just say that you disagree with Zedalya and that you think that we would be better off without him in power.  No use to beat around the bush.

I never said I don't like Zeleya. I just think what he did was illegal and it was 100% ok for him to be removed from power. I honestly have no emotional connection to this and had no personal 'desire' to see him removed, just stating my opinion that I'm ok with what was done.



Timmah! on 10 July 2009
ManusJustus said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

The difference is Honduras is a representative government.

 

Honduras can have multiple terms limits added to there constitution. It just needs to be done though congress.

The Constitution is set up so that it is impossible to increase term limits, so Honduras cannot go through congress.  If a law cannot be passed or discarded legally or judicially, that is undemocratic.  In Iran, you cannot remove the Ayatollah legislatively or judicially, so it is obviously undemocratic.

So, why doesn't the legislative branch just change the part of the constitution that restricts them from adding term limits, then add the term limits? Just saying.

Zelaya was going around the legal process and broke the law, end of story. I never really cared one way or the other before this happened, but it really seems pretty cut and dry to me. Break the law, get in trouble.



TheRealMafoo on 10 July 2009
Timmah! said:
ManusJustus said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

The difference is Honduras is a representative government.

 

Honduras can have multiple terms limits added to there constitution. It just needs to be done though congress.

The Constitution is set up so that it is impossible to increase term limits, so Honduras cannot go through congress.  If a law cannot be passed or discarded legally or judicially, that is undemocratic.  In Iran, you cannot remove the Ayatollah legislatively or judicially, so it is obviously undemocratic.

So, why doesn't the legislative branch just change the part of the constitution that restricts them from adding term limits, then add the term limits? Just saying.

Zelaya was going around the legal process and broke the law, end of story. I never really cared one way or the other before this happened, but it really seems pretty cut and dry to me. Break the law, get in trouble.

Title VII, with two chapters, outlines the process of amending the constitution and sets forth the principle of constitutional inviolability. The constitution may be amended by the National Congress after a two-thirds vote of all its members in two consecutive regular annual sessions. However, several constitutional provisions may not be amended. These consist of the amendment process itself, as well as provisions covering the form of government, national territory, and several articles covering the presidency, including term of office and prohibition from reelection.

http://countrystudies.us/honduras/84.htm

It's hard to do. Someone could be clever enough to do it some day, but it's not trivial. (and it's that way on purpose).