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NJ5 on 30 September 2007
Bodhesatva said:
Girl Gamer Elite said:
PC hardware is upgradeable, replaceable & customizeable... Video Game Consoles aren't. PCs are far more versatile as a software platform and can be tailor made to suit your interests in what you want it to do specifically.

Video game consoles are upgradable, replacable and customizable. Stop! Stop with this nonsense people.

 

I'm going to repeat this one more time: the PS3 and 360 have components which are upgradable, replacable and customizable. This is not a valid argument. The end.


So does my cellphone. Does that make it any closer to being a general purpose PC? Nope.

That a PC by any means equals a console can only be seriously considered by someone who doesn't really need a PC but has one anyway.

 



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prlatino86 on 30 September 2007
The_vagabond7 said:
prlatino86 said:
I dont know why people are acting like this is a new thing. Even nintendo(for those who say "thats why i like nintendo because they only release one sku" Isnt there a Nintendo DS, and DS lite? GBA and GBA SP? You do know there was an NES version that was smaller and toploading? SNES had a couple of versions too. Hell, Sega Genesis had so many versions its hard to count. The PS1 and PS2 have had multiple versions also. In fact, if you have a old launch version of the PS2, there was a certain period of time after that you couldnt play new games because they started coming out in Dual Layer and the launch PS2s didnt have a CD Drive capable of reading dual layer yet.

The only difference now is they are launching at the beginning these different skus, that mainly are very smiliar to each other.

Plus, nintendo is guilty of this now with the Wii too, just not with consoles. How many different types of controller layouts (im not talking about different between wired and wireless) do they have? And like cant some games only work with one controller layout and not the other? Also how many times have they release different versions of the same game, like different versions of pokemon or nintendogs, that are each totally different games(this i consider different from like limited edition versions, cuz those games are all the same, just with special features like on a DVD.) Everyone is guilty of releasing multiple versions of the same thing.

I dont see how its confusing to people either. Like when you look at the xbox, the main difference is just accessories. Either you get a core with just a wired controller, or you get a premium with wireless controller, and a ton of other shit, including a harddrive. PS3, either no bluetooth with smaller hard drive or bigger harddrive and bluetooth. I mean, besides the halo 3 version of the xbox, the main different between the units is accessories, and whether or not you want to bundle all those accessories with your xbox now, or spend a ton of money on them later. Same thing goes for the ps3.

 All the early SKUs (SNES and the like) had no difference aside from aesthetics and minor things (such as top loading NES) that made no difference whatsoever to your gaming experience. And Different control methods on the wii? Seriously? That's your argument? The only other controller you would potentially need to buy is a classic controller for 15-20 dollars for some games on the virtual console. Out of the box you've got the wii-mote and nunchuck, which is what every game uses (some don't even use the nunchuck, but that hardly counts as the same as a different SKU). That's a piss poor comparison to what Microsoft and Sony are doing.

 Having Pokemon Red and Blue is also very different, that is to encourage trading. Unless you plan on trading collectible hard drives or USB ports with your friends it doesn't parrellel in any way. Also big difference between 30 dollar pokemon game and 500-600 dollar SKU that may be inferior in a few months. 

And if the thing about the PS2 is true, that is really really stupid on Sony's part. Who's to say the won't do something stupid like that again?

 Again people it's not a matter of confusion, it's a matter of buying something gimped or something that will likely be inferior in 6 months. Which is fine for PC gaming, but these are consoles. They are supposed to be steady machines. Buy one at launch, you're getting the same machine you'd get four years later.

sadly it is true, thats why if u try to trade in an original style ps2 at gamestop or EB, they check the manufacture date, and if its older then a certain date(i dont know what the date is) then they wont accept it for the reason it wont play most games. 

 



Bonafide732 on 30 September 2007

i think im gonna have to agree with Bods on this one... ps3 and 360 arent as upgradable as a PC is but to Bod's point through firmware updates they can achieve the same functions as a PC only if Sony and Ms deems it fit.... saying that a console is more customizable but the PC is even more customizable so they are different isnt really a valid arguement in my opinion



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Onimusha12 on 30 September 2007
joshmyersBV said:
@Onimusha

Wow so my guess would be that if your not right then no one is, It seems when you lose an argument you believe that only your point of view is the correct one i'm sorry becaues the only person whose "blind" is you.

Oh a chearleader, wonderful. Thanks for you contribution and the pom poms are wonderful, but you've provided nothing to show I'm mistaken and are just tagging along someone else's argument. When you've contributed something meaningful to the debate then you can pretend you have anything to be proud about. You're just angry Bodshesatva conceded to end this debate and are unsatisfied with the result so you're attempting to portray the front that my defeat was so incredibly obvious. Your so easy it read, its painful. If you want to keep this going, try contributing to it.



Bonafide732 on 30 September 2007

but i guess thats the reason PCs are called PCS and the our home consoles are Have Nintendo Sony and Microsoft in front of their names



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Bodhesatva on 30 September 2007
NJ5 said:
Bodhesatva said:
Girl Gamer Elite said:
PC hardware is upgradeable, replaceable & customizeable... Video Game Consoles aren't. PCs are far more versatile as a software platform and can be tailor made to suit your interests in what you want it to do specifically.

Video game consoles are upgradable, replacable and customizable. Stop! Stop with this nonsense people.

 

I'm going to repeat this one more time: the PS3 and 360 have components which are upgradable, replacable and customizable. This is not a valid argument. The end.


So does my cellphone. Does that make it any closer to being a general purpose PC? Nope.

That a PC by any means equals a console can only be seriously considered by someone who doesn't really need a PC but has one anyway.

 


 Absolutely, it definitely makes your cell phone closer to being a PC. You have that answer wrong! It doesn't make it precisely and exactly equal to a PC. But it certainly makes it closer. 

 



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NJ5 on 30 September 2007
Bodhesatva said:
NJ5 said:
fazz said:
@Bods:

Photoshop, burn discs, movie making, CAD, music production (one of my favorites), screenshots and movies from games with high fidelity.

More to come later.

Also, PCs are expandable while consoles are not (unless you're willing to muck around with a soldering iron, in which case you can also argue that my garbage can is a PC too).

 


Consoles are expandable. How are they not? You can add an additional hard drive to the PS3, and you can even swap the hard drive right out of the 360.

Do you simply mean that the GPU/CPU/RAM arent replacable?

Do you feel that the Wii is not a console?

 


No, I mean that with a PC I can expect to get hardware for doing anything which is possible to do in the digital world. Show me how to decently use a printer or a scanner on a console. Console makers don't allow you to run software for doing anything you want on them, and they don't allow you to use much hardware. OK, you can switch hard drives, that doesn't make the PS3 an expandable computing platform.

 



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Onimusha12 on 30 September 2007

so this all along was only a battle of nit picky definitions? god you're so vain Bodshes.

Okay, allow me to rephrase.

Video Game Consoles are not enough like PCs to use the defense that multiple and outdated SKus makes them excusable under the umbrella of PC consumer culture. Are the semantics to your liking now?



NJ5 on 30 September 2007
Bodhesatva said:
NJ5 said:
Bodhesatva said:
Girl Gamer Elite said:
PC hardware is upgradeable, replaceable & customizeable... Video Game Consoles aren't. PCs are far more versatile as a software platform and can be tailor made to suit your interests in what you want it to do specifically.

Video game consoles are upgradable, replacable and customizable. Stop! Stop with this nonsense people.

 

I'm going to repeat this one more time: the PS3 and 360 have components which are upgradable, replacable and customizable. This is not a valid argument. The end.


So does my cellphone. Does that make it any closer to being a general purpose PC? Nope.

That a PC by any means equals a console can only be seriously considered by someone who doesn't really need a PC but has one anyway.

 


Absolutely, it definitely makes your cell phone closer to being a PC. You have that answer wrong! It doesn't make it precisely and exactly equal to a PC. But it certainly makes it closer.

 


That's just high-level philosophical crap, it doesn't apply in the real world... because of the extremely limited nature of what I can add to a cell phone without using a soldering iron (as I said, if I can use a soldering iron, then a garbage can is a PC too).

You didn't get my point. See my previous post for more on the same.

 



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Bodhesatva on 30 September 2007
NJ5 said:
Bodhesatva said:
NJ5 said:
fazz said:
@Bods:

Photoshop, burn discs, movie making, CAD, music production (one of my favorites), screenshots and movies from games with high fidelity.

More to come later.

Also, PCs are expandable while consoles are not (unless you're willing to muck around with a soldering iron, in which case you can also argue that my garbage can is a PC too).

 


Consoles are expandable. How are they not? You can add an additional hard drive to the PS3, and you can even swap the hard drive right out of the 360.

Do you simply mean that the GPU/CPU/RAM arent replacable?

Do you feel that the Wii is not a console?

 


No, I mean that with a PC I can expect to get hardware for doing anything which is possible to do in the digital world. Show me how to decently use a printer or a scanner on a console. Console makers don't allow you to run software for doing anything you want on them, and they don't allow you to use much hardware. OK, you can switch hard drives, that doesn't make the PS3 an expandable computing platform.

 

There are lots of things about a PC that aren't customizable. You can't customize the diodes or transistors that are placed on your board. You often can't upgrade the floppy or mobo, in PCs produced by Dell or Gateway that are company-specific.

PCs aren't  infinitely customizable. They are more customizable than most consoles, but that doesn't make them fundamentally different. 

Again, if more customization options make the PC totally different, then the PS3 and 360 are totally different than the Wii, because the Wii has almost 0 customization options. 

 



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