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Zizzla_Rachet on 23 June 2009
jake_the_fake1 said:
jcp234 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
jcp234 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
jcp234 said:
MikeB said:
jcp234 said:
MikeB said:
@ ZenfoldorVGI

lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling?


Uncharted and Metal Gear Solid 4 are IMO worthy.

Mass Effect


I played it, I thought it was overhyped (besides the technical issues). BioShock is IMO much better, but in hindsight also overhyped despite being a good game.

(For the record, when released I publically stated BioShock, Mass Effect and Lost Planet looked great judging from the trailers and said I wanted them on the PS3, in hindsight IMO all 3 were overhyped originally)

From what I've been hearing. Uncharted is short enough to be a movie. So, maybe that's what the developers were going for.

But I've never had to pay $60 for a movie.


You have been misinformed. Maybe you were thinking of Heavenly Sword, that was a bit short with some of the slick movie-like cutscenes.

6-8 hours for a videogame? 10 hour max? On the amazing Blu-Ray? and with the amazing cell? That's it?

neither Cell or blu-ray are responsible for the game being short, that was the developers choice under their budget and dead line, however, blu-rays capacity would have allowed for a much longer game to have been created if the developers had the time and money to creat all the extra content with out needing to worry to much about running out of room....the Cell, well that's just the processor that has absolutly nothing todo with the length of a game, so be careful there cuz your stepping into trolling land, and once your over you'll be snipered down and banned.

Actually, you are proving my point. Why didn't the developers take advantage of the amazing blu-ray potential? Especially, considering the game is PS3 exclusive? And your threats of being "sniped" and being "banned" do not threaten me. Just something to keep in mind in the future.

I appreciate the fact that Microsoft did not integrate HD-DVD or Blu-ray into the 360. Increased capacity means more resources/higher expectations...which translates to higher costs. It's good that Microsoft chose DVD.

you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid.

Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making.

Right, because gamers have never had to swap discs. That's such a super amazing benefit! I'd pay a $100 or more premium just to not have to swap discs.

LOL Like, I said before...I am happy Microsoft chose the DVD media format. I really do not find blu-ray to be that compelling ar the moment.

For me personally, God of War II was too short...I am hoping the same mistake is not made twice with God of War III. Sony and supporters alike have been throwing blu-ray in everyone's face...There seems to be no reason why a Sony exclusive developer should not take advantage of it.

 

You do realize the the PS3 can play blu-ray movies right....the point of blu-ray for games however was just for the pure capacity.

lets have a hyperthetical, if lets say lost odesy was on the PS3 then it would only use 1 blu-ray, we both pay like $60US but the differnece would be that you'd have to swap discs while I wouldn't, now I know for most it's not an issue but here's my question, if given the option for the 360 to buy the game for the same price but one had 4 DVDs, while the other had just 1 blu-ray, which version would you buy?

I my self given the above option for this hyperthetical would choose the blu-ray version, if it cost the same, then why put up with disc swapping.

oh, in regards to not taking advantage, MGS4 was one that required a 50GB disc, granted though it had allot of 1080p footage, but for what the game was trying to achive, the extra capacity served them well, MGS4 was almost like a movie and quit enjoyable, if you don't agree then it's understandable since we all have different tastes, but the fact remains that here a sony exclusive developed game using the capacity to it's fullest, but this is just one extreme, like I said, just because its there doesn't mean it has to be used, it's just a freedom that developers don't have think about to much when creating a game.

Since both versions would the same price what would be the point of your question?

You act like disc swaping is sucha chore...PS fanboys have been doing it for years...no it's annoying all of a sudden becuase it's being done on 360?

And in the case of any game using multiple disc....You wont have to swap for hours(Even days depending o your play time)

Yoour argument is non factor...



 



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vaio on 23 June 2009
MikeB said:
@ vaio

Let's make this simple.

In an attempt to discredit Forza 3 you try to make it seem like forza 3 would be the first racing game with 2 discs


I asked if this was a first, so where's the lie?

You said it's the first multi DVD racing game, I already knew there have been past racing games on multiple disc. Like for instance Super Cars 2 supplied on 2 3.5 inch diskettes on the Amiga.

880KB disckkettes were pretty limiting for Amiga gaming.

In that thread you posted a link to prove your point, the link was in dutch so you figured i wouldn´t uderstand


According to Dutch law if the product is defect within a normal life expectance (at least 3 years), you can hold the seller (retailer) responsible. You don't agree, then don't. But I know someone who successfully made use of this option recently through Media Markt. I really don't understand why this upsets you. Why is it bad to help someone?

With your track record I dont believe you and I am still waiting for the link to prove what you are saying, more importantly how is it 3 years (assuming for a brief moment youre not lying) for PS 3 and only 2 years for the 360?

Second you said it was an Eulaw with 3 year warranty just to later change it to dutch law: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2045957

nice try though but agai you got caught lying/distorting what you your self said.

On the first part of your responce: You tried to make it look bad for MS with putting it on two discs when your beloved Sony did it with GT and there is no big difference between 2 discs on cd when DVD was on its way then its today with DVD and possibly bluray on the way but still you tried to make it look like a bad thing for forza.

 Just a question are you drunk this time too? you seem to be drunk everytime you start theese lying/missinformation threads and if so you should seriously think about not drinking when posting.

 



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

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Zizzla_Rachet on 23 June 2009
MikeB said:

@ ironman

LOL what have I been missing??? Is that why the campaign was so short?


Halo 3 was not only short, it was also repetitive. It should be easy using repetitive measures to make the game twice as long even on a DVD.

The Blu-Ray advantage more relates to assets. You can have more varierty or opt for higher quality of assets. If you don't want to resort to repetitive measures, you can have a bigger game with similar quality assets on Blu-Ray than on DVD, but of course that means more game design investments as well.

MikeB...

Exactly when did you have time to play through Halo 3?

Would the system not require to stream alot more?.

Would a Data transfer disc for 360 games(Yes MikeB like Forza 3) not null the blu-ray advantage?

If fact would it not increase effeciency by cutting streaming and load times by having the CPU draw data from hard memory?



 



nightsurge on 23 June 2009
MikeB said:

@ nightsurge

Besides price and dedicated servers, XBL is superior and that is a fact.


That's the problem with extremist like you, it's a fact, no room for discussion, the end.

It's not that simple at all, for example I don't have much (if any) use for cross game chatrooms while playing PS3 games. Why would this be better than the laptop I'm already using in my living room? Most often I don't like to be disturbed at all and have actually disabled instant message notifications on my PS3.

Another example would be LittleBigPlanet, there's no similar game on the 360 providing such a wealth of amazing user created content. That just the tip of the iceberg why one can prefer the PSN offerings.

So in other words your argument is that you don't need that feature, and that a game on PS3 is unique?

PSN is a service, it is not a part of games.  Games use it for their online part, not vice versa.

It also doesn't matter if you don't use the services or features of XBL.  Lots of people do.  The fact that there are more features and services available that are very well implemented makes it superior to PSN.

You are not arguing facts related to what they offer, you are arguing based on your opinion of what you need and don't need or want and don't want.  Is there even an option for cross game chat on PSN?  No.  Is Netflix integrated?  No.  Is PSN getting free Last.fm radio stations? No.  Is PSN getting 1080p instant streaming video? No.  Does it offer as much downloadable content (music, movies, games, add-ons)? No.

So if we took a checklist of what the two services offered, surely it would become clear to you that XBL is superior?  I am not an extremist, I am simply using logic where you fail to do so.  You are the extremist here trying to make such crazy claims all the time and then having them shoved right back in your face only for you to continue your tactic without regard for past failures.  That's called insanity.



MikeB on 23 June 2009

@ vaio

Second you said it was an Eulaw with 3 year warranty just to later change it to dutch law


At best that was a badly worded sentence. I said Dutch law, because I am Dutch and know more about consumer laws around here than elsewhere.

There's a lot you could be upset about, for example many 360 fans mistakenly stated in the past 360's come with 3 years warranty. Not highlighting this was just for RRoD in the US.

Note my moderate wording, "mistakenly" not "liars", like you would word this.



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vaio on 23 June 2009
kowenicki said:

He isn't lying about the EU law thing and it actually applies to all products from an electric tin opener to a laptop, and there is no specific term... its about what would be a reasonable expectation of the life of a product.

HOWEVER, he is spinning it to say something different. He originally said that the PS3 has a 3 year warranty.... it doesn't.

The EU law means that you have to go back to the RETAILER and argue the point. Some retailers may just say get lost, others may not.

It has nothing to do woth Sony... they offer a 12 month warranty, end of story.

Stop lying and misleading Mike... you take us all for idiots....

I am older, wiser, more successful and better looking than you are so try elsewhere

Oh and I was drunk when I wrote the above so forgive me if I said something untoward.

The EU law is 2 years not 3 there is a link in the tread we discussed this and I know as I used to work for an electronics shop for more then 5 years. If this law you are talking about has come in the past year or so It isnt 3 years it is 2 and yes its a hard thing to get it to your apply to your product.



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

Zizzla_Rachet on 23 June 2009
txrattlesnake said:
kowenicki said:
kowenicki said:
kowenicki said:
im still waiting for this long list of ground breaking storytelling games from the PS3

still waiting

 

tx, mikeb... anyone?


still i wait

keep seeing tx slag off the 360 for not having them... but not showing me where the PS3 does have them...


PS3:  MGS IV, Uncharted, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Ratchet and Clank Future, Heavy Rain, Demon Soul, Kenshan!, Valkyrie Chronicles, The Last Guardian.

 

 

 

Nice one...FFvsXIII...Real Nice....Even Nicer than Heavy Rain..Another game you have not played...and Even nicer than Last guradian...a game you have only seen a trailer for......You Win my friend



 



Tim_Duncan on 23 June 2009

Nice ownage, txrattlesnake.



vaio on 23 June 2009
MikeB said:
@ vaio

Second you said it was an Eulaw with 3 year warranty just to later change it to dutch law


At best that was a badly worded sentence. I said Dutch law, because I am Dutch and know more about consumer laws around here than elsewhere.

There's a lot you could be upset about, for example many 360 fans mistakenly stated in the past 360's come with 3 years warranty. Not highlighting this was just for RRoD in the US.

Note my moderate wording, "mistakenly" not "liars", like you would word this.

Oh thats such a bad copout.

I could also spread lies and missinformation just to change my tune when someone proves me wrong, its not hard you know (obviously you do since you just did it)

It´s as easy as saying Oh sorry I meant y instead of x sorry for the misstake.

You claim to be so welversed in your threads so I have a hard time beliving you when you say you did a misstake.

Stop lying and stop spreading missinformation and I am still waiting for your links to prove you were telling the truth, dont go about this the same way you always do and not adressing the issue and provide the links for you statements or this will end the same way as last time.



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

nightsurge on 23 June 2009
Tim_Duncan said:
Nice ownage, Zizzla_Rachet.

Fixed