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jake_the_fake1 on 20 June 2009
gergroy said:
jake_the_fake1 said:



 

 

 

you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid.

Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making.

Wow, halo 3 required 2 dvd's?  I never realized, this whole time I've been playing with one dvd and evidently there were 2.  Who would of known... haha

yeah the Collector's Edition had 2 dvd's, sorry forgot to mention it lol



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jcp234 on 20 June 2009
kowenicki said:
@mikeb

but its wasted.... very very few developers can be arsed or can afford to do that, others have just filled it up with lossless audio (who cares) and huge cutscenes (yawn)

Exactly. The 360 does not need blu-ray. It's not very practical this generation. And neither is the cell processor.

You don't see many manufacturers rushing to get the cell into home electronic devices. Not even in desktops or laptops.



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

jake_the_fake1 on 20 June 2009
gergroy said:
@jake_the_fake1
in your hypothetical, would this blu ray version require multple mandatory installs like mgs4 that take like 10 minutes to install? Because getting up and changing the disc is a lot quicker than waiting for those cursed long installs.

no, just take the hyperthetical that I wrote for what it is, and go from there.



gergroy on 20 June 2009
MikeB said:

@ ironman

LOL what have I been missing??? Is that why the campaign was so short?


Halo 3 was not only short, it was also repetitive. It should be easy using repetitive measures to make the game twice as long even on a DVD.

The Blu-Ray advantage more relates to assets. You can have more varierty or opt for higher quality of assets. If you don't want to resort to repetitive measures, you can have a bigger game with similar quality assets on Blu-Ray than on DVD, but of course that means more game design investments as well.

do you even read the posts that your quote MikeB? or do you just read till you find a little snippit that can launch you into your playstation propoganda? 

You know, I would like you a lot better if you just dropped your propoganda routine and just talk about your obsolete amiga days. 



gergroy on 20 June 2009
jake_the_fake1 said:
gergroy said:
jake_the_fake1 said:



 

 

 

you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid.

Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making.

Wow, halo 3 required 2 dvd's?  I never realized, this whole time I've been playing with one dvd and evidently there were 2.  Who would of known... haha

yeah the Collector's Edition had 2 dvd's, sorry forgot to mention it lol

lol, but every collector's edition has 2 discs, even on the ps3.  The second discs aren't games though, they are bonus dvd's with making of stuff.  haha.



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gergroy on 20 June 2009
jake_the_fake1 said:
gergroy said:
@jake_the_fake1
in your hypothetical, would this blu ray version require multple mandatory installs like mgs4 that take like 10 minutes to install? Because getting up and changing the disc is a lot quicker than waiting for those cursed long installs.

no, just take the hyperthetical that I wrote for what it is, and go from there.

but if you are going to have a blu ray drive, mandatory installs is neccessary most of the time.  Otherwise, why would they do it?  You can't really ignore that part of the equation to make your point.



jcp234 on 20 June 2009
gergroy said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
gergroy said:
jake_the_fake1 said:



 

 

 

you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid.

Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making.

Wow, halo 3 required 2 dvd's?  I never realized, this whole time I've been playing with one dvd and evidently there were 2.  Who would of known... haha

yeah the Collector's Edition had 2 dvd's, sorry forgot to mention it lol

lol, but every collector's edition has 2 discs, even on the ps3.  The second discs aren't games though, they are bonus dvd's with making of stuff.  haha.

Thank you for pointing that out. I believe all fanboys are currupt and inherently evil (exaggeration, of course), but I think Sony fanboy's commit the greatest offense on this site.



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

DjFlex53 on 20 June 2009
kowenicki said:
kowenicki said:
im still waiting for this long list of ground breaking storytelling games from the PS3

still waiting

 

tx, mikeb... anyone?

you'll be waiting forever because they have no answer, kowenicki.

To even compare Uncharted's storytelling to Raiders of the Lost Ark is super stretching it, tx.

Uncharted is more like a low budget "Romancing The Stone"/"King Solomon's Mines" type of storytelling.

I think Mass Effect & Bioshock, by far, are the best storytellings in games this generation.

Finally, it's the PS3 fans who are in turmoil because their touted & more powerful? console is in last place and most PS3 fans cannot come to grips with this reality.



Being in 2nd feels so much better than being in 3rd

txrattlesnake on 20 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
txrattlesnake said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
txrattlesnake said:
kowenicki said:
@txrattlesnake

what!?


     What I said.  I want to see one game on 360 that has a deeper than average run of the mill weekend movie on the Sc-Fi Channl.  So far, I haven't seen one and most of the games on the 360 could be Sci-Fi Channel movies in movie form.  Certainly, Gears of War doesn't have much more of a story than Starship Troopers and Alan Wake is just about like your run of the mill horror film.

 

On the other hand a game like The Last Guardian (and even Heavy Rain seems closer to a David Lynch film than your average horror film) seem to have deeper artistic aspirations.

lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling?

...and 360 games couldn't even have their stories put on the Sci-Fi channel?

Ever play Mass Effect, Tales of Vesperia, Fallout 3, Dead Space, Lost Odyssey?

Ever see StarShip troopers or a "run of the mill" horror film on the Sci-Fi channel?

Not only did you significantly contradict yourself, but you also created one of the most insignificant and insubstantiated arguments I've ever heard on ANY subject.

What does the quality of the storyline in the best game on the Xbox 360 have to do with this thread? Have you played The Last Gaurdian or Heavy Rain? Could they be on Sci-Fi? What exactly are you implying with your statements towards the 360's top story based games library?


     That the stories in what are considered to be great 360 games aren't any deeper than those in movies on The Sci-Fi Channel and are many times influenced by those movies.  Gears of War isn't any better than Starship Trooper or Dog Soldiers.  Heck, they've got a movie coming on in a couple of seconds called Savage Planet.  I'm sure it is just a B movie but better than any 360 games.

No game has ever reached A movie level in its storytelling. If any game comes close, it certainly isn't the confusing and overlong, and poorly translated MGS4....it would be GTAIV. Period. As for Starship Troopers, what's wrong with having a story like that in a game. It wasn't a terrible movie, honestly, and it was fun. So was Gears.

What, imo, is ignorant, is that you seem to be implying that a single game with a movie level story would mean one console is superior than the other. You are obviously influenced by pro Sony bias, so why, oh why, do you insist that games which are not yet released will have better stories than ANY game on the Xbox 360? Really? Bioshock and Mass Effect? Vesperia? Do you mean exclusives?

     I actually didn't say Gears wouldn't qualify as a sci-fi channel movie.  If made into a movie it could play on the sci-fi channel on the same day as Starship Troopers and Dog Soldiers.

     I don't think I'm influenced by Sony bias so much as a bias in favor of Japanese gaming.  I also expect Fragile on Wii to be deeper than 9 out of 10 360 games on an aesthetic level.  I think the artistic aspirations in Japanese games are higher than those in Western games which seem to be more influenced by Hollywood or B type movies than other more aesthetically inspired films or stories.

     Now games like Fallout 3 and Bioshock seem a bit deeper to me especially if you look at the trailers for Fallout 3 and the music they have (certainly deeper than anything I saw for xbox at this year's E3) and the same with Bioshock and its Bioshock bars and their music.  The trailer for Gears 2 "I have a Rendezvous with Death" was quite good as was the trailer for GTA IV featuring the song "Cry".

   However, I think I'm mainly talking about the exclusives.  I would like to see something from Microsoft that seems more otherworldy or exotic than something that seems to be influenced by the Western entertainment movie tradition.

    Braid is a step in the right direction and so are some of the community and arcade games, but I would like to see a heavily promoted big budget exclusive with aesthetic influences apart from the Western sci-fi or horror traditions.

 



gergroy on 20 June 2009
jcp234 said:
gergroy said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
gergroy said:
jake_the_fake1 said:



 

 

 

you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid.

Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making.

Wow, halo 3 required 2 dvd's?  I never realized, this whole time I've been playing with one dvd and evidently there were 2.  Who would of known... haha

yeah the Collector's Edition had 2 dvd's, sorry forgot to mention it lol

lol, but every collector's edition has 2 discs, even on the ps3.  The second discs aren't games though, they are bonus dvd's with making of stuff.  haha.

Thank you for pointing that out. I believe all fanboys are currupt and inherently evil (exaggeration, of course), but I think Sony fanboy's commit the greatest offense on this site.

I agree for the most part.  I try to stay away from picking sides, but this site does have way more off the wall sony fanboys than any other system.