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BenKenobi88 said:
superchunk said:
ssj12 said:
lolita said:
Have you tried with Dell... Unless you don't like them either... I don't know any other (that can be in your region). The other ones I know are near me... =/

well its easier and cheaper to build one. Dells.. ok.. but nothing to jump for joy at.


It used to be cheaper to build one, however, I have found that not to be the case anymore.


Yes, but no good video cards in prebuilt PCs.

And even if you did buy a video card for it...they're just not good for future upgrading. It's much easier to add more of the RAM you want, extra HDs, video card, PCI stuff...I dunno. For a hundred bucks or so more, I find building your own computer much more user-friendly...once you get past building it of course.


 Well, the last two I linked to had 'decent' cards for basic gaming. Not top of the line, but fine for most games. I agree that there are issues with buying a prebuilt system, biggest is the crap they preinstall and give you on thier restore disks, but there are some nice advantages.

 1. in house warranty. If you build it, the warranty and time to find and fix an issue can be a real pain in the ass. Plus, if you went generic on that particular part, you could easily not even have much of a warranty at all.

 2. setup is cake. 5-10mins compared to 45m-1hr.

 3.  overall cheaper these days, with usually more features. Like multi card readers and such.

 

I personally, am undecided if my next pc will be pre-built or me-built. The one I am currently on is 4years old and was me-built. At that time I saved a few hundred dollars for a much better system. Now, everytime I peice one together it seems I can find a similar if not better featured model on Dell or Frys electronics. I will probably go me-built again, only because I get to actually pick what brandnames of parts I get, and I enjoy putting it together. It will definitely be built around AMD 64 multi cores, Vista, and focused as a Media PC. 



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superchunk said:

Well, the last two I linked to had 'decent' cards for basic gaming. Not top of the line, but fine for most games. I agree that there are issues with buying a prebuilt system, biggest is the crap they preinstall and give you on thier restore disks, but there are some nice advantages.

1. in house warranty. If you build it, the warranty and time to find and fix an issue can be a real pain in the ass. Plus, if you went generic on that particular part, you could easily not even have much of a warranty at all.

2. setup is cake. 5-10mins compared to 45m-1hr.

3. overall cheaper these days, with usually more features. Like multi card readers and such.

 

I personally, am undecided if my next pc will be pre-built or me-built. The one I am currently on is 4years old and was me-built. At that time I saved a few hundred dollars for a much better system. Now, everytime I peice one together it seems I can find a similar if not better featured model on Dell or Frys electronics. I will probably go me-built again, only because I get to actually pick what brandnames of parts I get, and I enjoy putting it together. It will definitely be built around AMD 64 multi cores, Vista, and focused as a Media PC.


I've owned OEM PCs and built my own PCs before.  I also did PC repair for Geek Squad for 2 years.  To be honest, I would much rather deal with my own hardware problems than rely on an OEM to deal with them for me.

1) If you deal with the OEM, it can take them weeks to resolve an issue that you yourself could resolve quickly and easily.  You also don't have to spend hours on the phone with Bob from Bangladesh.  No offense to these people; it's the builder's fault for hiring service reps who can't speak English worth a damn.

2) "Setup" on an OEM PC for me includes removing all the crap that they preload.  Often, the easiest way to do this is to reinstall the operating system from scratch (if you get an OS disk instead of a generic "restore to factory" disk), which takes just as long as if you built the thing yourself.  If you know what you're doing, you can remove most of their stuff manually, but this takes time as well.

3) You do usually get a good deal on OEM PCs, especially because they get paid to preload all that crap on your system.  Unfortunately, you also get substandard components, which is another way they make money.  For example, OEM hard drives typically carry a one-year warranty and aren't built to the same spec as consumer-level hard drives with 3- or 5-year warranties.  You can get a 3-year warranty on a pre-built system, but it usually costs you an extra couple hundred bucks.  Furthermore, you're more likely to have to use that warranty, because they use the same cheap components whether you buy the extended warranty or not (and they're more likely to fail after the 3 years expires, too).

Basically, you get what you pay for.  Most consumer-level products carry equal or better warranties than what you'll get from a system builder like Dell or HP/Compaq.  Seagate hard drives have 5-year warranties.  EVGA graphics cards have lifetime warranties, and so do several brands of RAM.  The fact is, that 'similar' system that you see on Dell.com really isn't as 'similar' on the inside as the spec sheet indicates.

And come on.  Those pre-built PCs have some nasty ugly cases.  :)  (They have gotten better about this in the last few years.)



There is no reason to get a retail PC unless you have no clue when it comes to computer hardware (and it's not that hard to learn - I started from scratch when i built my computer a few years back)

So yeah, do as Entroper and others say and build your own.



$90 (-$15 MIR) - 7600 GT 256MB - Note my favorite card but its solid for a $500 system all things considered.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130091

Might as well pay the $30 more and get a better card that supports DX10.



I'm on a self-built PC too and all I can say is I would NEVER buy a OEM PC again. But then again we self-builders enjoy this as a hobby...

Sqrl's choice of parts seems like a very good configuration for that price.
A decent processor, 2GB or RAM and 320GB HDD is very nice.
If you have no Overclocking in mind, you can get some cheaper/slower RAM
If you're not going to game, you can shave off a little more $$ off the Video Card. The Radeon HD 2400 seems a good choice for non-3D usage.



crappy old school NES games are more entertaining than next-gen games.

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You have certain expectations for that desktop ssj12? You know, a minimum RAM or videocard, etc.?



Minimum ram should be 2 gigs. It only costs like $80 now for 2.



ssj12: What do you want to do with that desktop PC?



BenKenobi88 said:
superchunk said:
ssj12 said:
lolita said:
Have you tried with Dell... Unless you don't like them either... I don't know any other (that can be in your region). The other ones I know are near me... =/

well its easier and cheaper to build one. Dells.. ok.. but nothing to jump for joy at.


It used to be cheaper to build one, however, I have found that not to be the case anymore.


Yes, but no good video cards in prebuilt PCs.

And even if you did buy a video card for it...they're just not good for future upgrading. It's much easier to add more of the RAM you want, extra HDs, video card, PCI stuff...I dunno. For a hundred bucks or so more, I find building your own computer much more user-friendly...once you get past building it of course.


 For me this is the best part of making a PC, then again I just love fixing stuff and putting it abck together.

@ssj12: Is this for someone else or is it a Lan PC so you can play friends whne your super-pc is done ??? 



 

 

 

Just_Ben said:
ssj12: What do you want to do with that desktop PC?

 temp gaming that will end up with my sister for basic use. 

What do you guys thing of this: 

LITE-ON Combo Black SATA Model DH-52C2S-04 - OEM - $24.99

NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail - $69.99 - $20 rebate

Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM  - $42.99

Acer AL1917WAbd Black 19" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail  - $169.99

GIGABYTE GA-M61P-S3 AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail  - $74.99

MSI NX8400GS-TD256E GeForce 8400GS Support up to 512M (256MB onboard) 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail  - $46.99

Broadway Com Corp P4-OKIA600-BLACK ATX 600W Power Supply - Retail - $33.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM  - $5.99 (I dont use cheap garbage grease)

A-DATA 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1908K - Retail  - $36.99

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+(65W) Windsor 2.4GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADO4600CUBOX - Retail  - $96.88

Shipping: 48.76

Sub Total: $652.66

OS: Vista? - $180? 

Total: $830 

 

A bit more then I wanted by a pretty nice setup here.  



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