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Faxanadu on 15 June 2009
FreeTalkLive said:
mibuokami said:
Surely this is some kind of joke? How can this 'law' be anything constitutional???

We are talking about Germany here.  Germany isn't exactly know for freedom of speech.  In fact, it may have the worst freedom of speech laws of any Western developed nation.

Care to elaborate? Because, you know, there is Germans on here reading your BS.



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ElRhodeo on 15 June 2009
FreeTalkLive said:

Guess what, it doesn't matter if it is against the law.  You can ban people from carrying guns but you can't stop them.  You can ban guns but you cannot remove them from society.  Criminals tend not to care about the law.

Ok, so you obviously don't believe in the idea of a constitutional state at all. The Monopoly on legitimate use of phyiscal force is one of the basic principles of a modern constitutional state. What you describe sounds more like "cold civil war" to me... not a society I'd want to live in.
It's a classic conservative idea to continue the arms race against criminals - it doesn't work, as fmc83's numbers show: "homicide rate in germany is 0,98 in 100.000 while it's 6,1 per 100k in the USA." Reminds me of Brazil, where the left-wing president tried to introduce a gun ban some years ago. The public voted against it, for fear of being defenseless against gangsters. This way it will never end, I'm afraid.



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ElRhodeo on 15 June 2009
Faxanadu said:
FreeTalkLive said:
mibuokami said:
Surely this is some kind of joke? How can this 'law' be anything constitutional???

We are talking about Germany here.  Germany isn't exactly know for freedom of speech.  In fact, it may have the worst freedom of speech laws of any Western developed nation.

Care to elaborate? Because, you know, there is Germans on here reading your BS.

He doesn't know a thing about German freedom of speech laws. He just read somewhere that we've got censorship here.



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Chrizum on 15 June 2009
FreeTalkLive said:
waron said:
 

wait when they get drunk and they wom't be happy when somebody will tell them they should go home. sorry, but the law in US is bad if we're talking bout this stuff - everyone can have lots of guns and no one cares and then you see all those shootings in school cause mentally unstable people have them. it's perfect in my country when you have to pass several tests to own a normal gun while air guns, stun guns etc. are available for every 18+ year old person after showing ID.

i feel safe cause i know that there won't be any sick guy with a gun - i can't say that bout you state knowing that even kids can have guns without any problem.

Guess what, it doesn't matter if it is against the law.  You can ban people from carrying guns but you can't stop them.  You can ban guns but you cannot remove them from society.  Criminals tend not to care about the law.

Agression provokes agression. Compare the amount of people getting shot in the US compared to the rest of the world. According to those figures, carrying a gun around is lot less safe than you'd think.



HappySqurriel on 15 June 2009
fmc83 said:
HappySqurriel said:

fmc83 said:
Hm. I think we have to get some things straight here. I was wondering why I haven't even heard about this. A quick google research told me the story is already ten days old (5th of june). And the uproar of the gaming community is surprisingly low

1. about freedom of speech
You can basically say everything you want to say if it's not a against the constitution. Well the holocaust denial is actually a crime. Some restriction is good in my eyes. It prevents idiots to spread their bs.

Everywhere this is tried it is abused...

In Canada Ezra Levant was tried by the Human Rights Tribunal (a kangaroo court) for republishing the Dutch Mohamed cartoons in an attempt to inform people about a very important news story of the day. Several legitimate newspapers and Magazines have been tried for reporting the news when 1 individual produced a formal complaint.

2. Not want to get in a debate about gun ownership, so let's just say, that the homicide rate in germany is 0,98 in 100.000 while it's 6,1 per 100k in the USA.

There is no evidence supporting gun control as a method of controlling violent crime (in fact there tends to be a decrease in violent crime anywhere people have the right to carry a concealed weapon), and the crime rate differences can easily be explained by a very large well funded drug trade which encourages criminals to be as violent as possible.

 

1. What was the outcome of your examples? To get tried doesn't mean, that you actually broke a law. That's how democratic countries should works imo, if there's a complaint (while I agree with you, that this one is ridiculous), somebody should make clear, that the law is respected.

 

2. I see your points, but let's leave at that. In another thread we'll surely meet again to discuss this

Ezra Levant is the only person to ever get tried under Section 13 of the Human Rights act and not be convicted because he was able to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from visitors to coservative blogs across Canada, and because he had the ability to get a lot of media coverage in Canada and the United States.

Right now in Canada you're forced to be very careful about making decisions based on common sense because there is a kangaroo court out there that will punish you if you hurt someone's feelings. Mc Donald’s is being sued because someone things being forced to wash their hands when serving food violates their human rights, a woman's shelter was sued for refusing to hire a (very large) transsexual (who mostly still looked like a man) as a counsellor for rape victims, and a pastor was sued for writing a letter to the editor explaining the position of why he though gay marriage was wrong.

To make matters worse, there are several cases of employees of the HRC who have went onto websites and posted racist comments in an attempt to get other people to post racist comments, and for those people to then be sued by their friends.



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mike_intellivision on 15 June 2009

I will try to stay on topic here (because it is the right thing to do and because I don't know enough about most of the incidents being brought up as fodder).

The key point to be that no one seems to be discussing is "distribution." If this were to make it into law -- and the discussion has been laid out that this probably will not happen and that is is in some ways nothing more than pre-election hijinks -- then importation may no longer be permissible since "distribution" of such games would be illegal. So unless you went and got them in another country, you could not get them.

I also do not know how that would stand up given the EU market laws.

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Phrancheyez on 15 June 2009

That title is inaccurate.

The article clearly states only violent against humans or manlike characters.

And I quote:

"where the main part is to realistically play the killing of people or other cruel or unhuman acts of violence against humans or manlike characters."

That's not 'all violent games'. That only means the good ones.



Pyramid Head on 15 June 2009

glad i dont live in germany



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Samus Aran on 15 June 2009
FreeTalkLive said:
mibuokami said:
Surely this is some kind of joke? How can this 'law' be anything constitutional???

We are talking about Germany here.  Germany isn't exactly know for freedom of speech.  In fact, it may have the worst freedom of speech laws of any Western developed nation.

No, that's Italy. You can't say anything bad about Berlusconi on the tv. Why? Because he owns all the media. There's no press freedom there and other stuff. Who cares about Germany anyway, it's an ugly country

I'm actually surprised how stupid they are over there in Germany. If you can get your hands on weapons to kill people then you'll have no problem at all getting your hands on a violent game. I guess they never heard of common sense. Everytime I go to Germany(and I go there a lot) I see posters of Merkel with a Hitler mustache drawn on it and sich Heil written all over it. This pretty much proves how retarded that country is.



fmc83 on 15 June 2009
HappySqurriel said:

Ezra Levant is the only person to ever get tried under Section 13 of the Human Rights act and not be convicted because he was able to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from visitors to coservative blogs across Canada, and because he had the ability to get a lot of media coverage in Canada and the United States.

Right now in Canada you're forced to be very careful about making decisions based on common sense because there is a kangaroo court out there that will punish you if you hurt someone's feelings. Mc Donald’s is being sued because someone things being forced to wash their hands when serving food violates their human rights, a woman's shelter was sued for refusing to hire a (very large) transsexual (who mostly still looked like a man) as a counsellor for rape victims, and a pastor was sued for writing a letter to the editor explaining the position of why he though gay marriage was wrong.

To make matters worse, there are several cases of employees of the HRC who have went onto websites and posted racist comments in an attempt to get other people to post racist comments, and for those people to then be sued by their friends.

 

So nothing happened. Anyway I hope, that you are aware, that the cases your showing here are based on a flaw of the common law systems which is to my knowledge just used in the UK, Ireland, Australia and the USA (correct me if I'm wrong on this). We have a different law system, where you don't have to hire 20 lawyers ( I exaggerate here) to find a case from 100 years ago which helps you to win. It's based on "civil codes". This system is now used in the rest of Europe (except for Ireland and the UK), so nobody can sue anybody here for this stupid reasons.



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