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Tyrannical on 09 June 2009
NJ5 said:

Michael Pachter's predictions often fail in the timeframe of months, weeks or days. Heck, sometimes he fails at getting the facts of the present or past.

That tells you much I care about his predictions for several years beyond.

 

 

Yeah, that IS about right with him.



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Seece on 09 June 2009

"I don't think there's any reason for another Xbox until we test the limits of these boxes," Pachter said on the show. "We're not there yet. They can keep improving this thing."

WTF is it with all this "we", its like he's that friend you don't want hanging around. You're not with us ... go away patcher ..



 

scottie on 09 June 2009

Rule number 1 of the video game internets. Michael Pachter is always out by a factor of 10.

The nextbox will release in either 0.5 years or 50 years



Akvod on 09 June 2009
seece said:
"I don't think there's any reason for another Xbox until we test the limits of these boxes," Pachter said on the show. "We're not there yet. They can keep improving this thing."

WTF is it with all this "we", its like he's that friend you don't want hanging around. You're not with us ... go away patcher ..

Well it depends on how you defiene as "we", and in your case it seems to be all owners/fans/fanboys of the 360... which Patcher can then fall into.

I thought he should have said "They", as in the game industry/developers, and he's not a developer so he shouldn't be using "We".

However, if you're putting yourself into "We", then I don't see why Patcher shouldn't be allowed to "hang" with you guys. I mean, you're an unbiased, rationale, and moderate fan of the 360 right? So if you're on the left of the spectrum, Patcher should be able to fall somewhere between from you to the most extreme of 360 fanboys on the right of the spectrum.



Million on 09 June 2009
NJ5 said:
dsister44 said:
is this the guy that said sony was going to release a ps3 without a blu-ray drive?

I don't think so, but I don't see a big problem with that prediction. Aren't we seeing a PSP without UMD now?

 

Except

(1) Blu-Ray games run into the 10's of GB's

(2) Sony is dependant on PS3 for Blu-Ray penatration.




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Seece on 09 June 2009
Akvod said:
seece said:
"I don't think there's any reason for another Xbox until we test the limits of these boxes," Pachter said on the show. "We're not there yet. They can keep improving this thing."

WTF is it with all this "we", its like he's that friend you don't want hanging around. You're not with us ... go away patcher ..

Well it depends on how you defiene as "we", and in your case it seems to be all owners/fans/fanboys of the 360... which Patcher can then fall into.

I thought he should have said "They", as in the game industry/developers, and he's not a developer so he shouldn't be using "We".

However, if you're putting yourself into "We", then I don't see why Patcher shouldn't be allowed to "hang" with you guys. I mean, you're an unbiased, rationale, and moderate fan of the 360 right? So if you're on the left of the spectrum, Patcher should be able to fall somewhere between from you to the most extreme of 360 fanboys on the right of the spectrum.

Ugh to you have to analyse all my posts, I was talking as if Patcher thought he was part of Microsoft.



 

NJ5 on 09 June 2009
Million said:
NJ5 said:
dsister44 said:
is this the guy that said sony was going to release a ps3 without a blu-ray drive?

I don't think so, but I don't see a big problem with that prediction. Aren't we seeing a PSP without UMD now?

 

Except

(1) Blu-Ray games run into the 10's of GB's

(2) Sony is dependant on PS3 for Blu-Ray penatration.


As I said before, I don't think it will happen. But it's in the realm of plausible, so it's not anywhere near as retarded as Pachter's average prediction.

 



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Akvod on 09 June 2009
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
"I don't think there's any reason for another Xbox until we test the limits of these boxes," Pachter said on the show. "We're not there yet. They can keep improving this thing."

WTF is it with all this "we", its like he's that friend you don't want hanging around. You're not with us ... go away patcher ..

Well it depends on how you defiene as "we", and in your case it seems to be all owners/fans/fanboys of the 360... which Patcher can then fall into.

I thought he should have said "They", as in the game industry/developers, and he's not a developer so he shouldn't be using "We".

However, if you're putting yourself into "We", then I don't see why Patcher shouldn't be allowed to "hang" with you guys. I mean, you're an unbiased, rationale, and moderate fan of the 360 right? So if you're on the left of the spectrum, Patcher should be able to fall somewhere between from you to the most extreme of 360 fanboys on the right of the spectrum.

Ugh to you have to analyse all my posts, I was talking as if Patcher thought he was part of Microsoft.

I don't think Patcher's referring to Microsoft... or at the very least not Microsoft alone, but to all developers on the Xbox. The hardware is set in stone, it's done, there's nothing Microsoft can do short of adding the repeadetly failed add ons that were tried in previous generations.

I think he was saying that it's up to the developers to milk the hardware for all its worth, and that they haven't milked it to its maximum like Santa Montica did with GoW II on the PS2.



Seece on 09 June 2009
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
"I don't think there's any reason for another Xbox until we test the limits of these boxes," Pachter said on the show. "We're not there yet. They can keep improving this thing."

WTF is it with all this "we", its like he's that friend you don't want hanging around. You're not with us ... go away patcher ..

Well it depends on how you defiene as "we", and in your case it seems to be all owners/fans/fanboys of the 360... which Patcher can then fall into.

I thought he should have said "They", as in the game industry/developers, and he's not a developer so he shouldn't be using "We".

However, if you're putting yourself into "We", then I don't see why Patcher shouldn't be allowed to "hang" with you guys. I mean, you're an unbiased, rationale, and moderate fan of the 360 right? So if you're on the left of the spectrum, Patcher should be able to fall somewhere between from you to the most extreme of 360 fanboys on the right of the spectrum.

Ugh to you have to analyse all my posts, I was talking as if Patcher thought he was part of Microsoft.

I don't think Patcher's referring to Microsoft... or at the very least not Microsoft alone, but to all developers on the Xbox. The hardware is set in stone, it's done, there's nothing Microsoft can do short of adding the repeadetly failed add ons that were tried in previous generations.

I think he was saying that it's up to the developers to milk the hardware for all its worth, and that they haven't milked it to its maximum like Santa Montica did with GoW II on the PS2.

You're right, developers not Microsoft, even so he isn't anything to do with them he is just an analyst (a really crap one too). I know when I talk about the 360 getting pushed to the limits, I never say "we can push it just a bit more" Its no different for patcher.



 

Akvod on 09 June 2009
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
"I don't think there's any reason for another Xbox until we test the limits of these boxes," Pachter said on the show. "We're not there yet. They can keep improving this thing."

WTF is it with all this "we", its like he's that friend you don't want hanging around. You're not with us ... go away patcher ..

Well it depends on how you defiene as "we", and in your case it seems to be all owners/fans/fanboys of the 360... which Patcher can then fall into.

I thought he should have said "They", as in the game industry/developers, and he's not a developer so he shouldn't be using "We".

However, if you're putting yourself into "We", then I don't see why Patcher shouldn't be allowed to "hang" with you guys. I mean, you're an unbiased, rationale, and moderate fan of the 360 right? So if you're on the left of the spectrum, Patcher should be able to fall somewhere between from you to the most extreme of 360 fanboys on the right of the spectrum.

Ugh to you have to analyse all my posts, I was talking as if Patcher thought he was part of Microsoft.

I don't think Patcher's referring to Microsoft... or at the very least not Microsoft alone, but to all developers on the Xbox. The hardware is set in stone, it's done, there's nothing Microsoft can do short of adding the repeadetly failed add ons that were tried in previous generations.

I think he was saying that it's up to the developers to milk the hardware for all its worth, and that they haven't milked it to its maximum like Santa Montica did with GoW II on the PS2.

You're right, developers not Microsoft, even so he isn't anything to do with them he is just an analyst (a really crap one too). I know when I talk about the 360 getting pushed to the limits, I never say "we can push it just a bit more" Its no different for patcher.

Yeah, so like I said, he should have said "They" since he's not a developer. Although I do think you're being a bit harsh.

Yes, he's being a know it all when he has no expertise (I think) on game developing, but I think it's just common sense, at only this stage of the console generation, to say that the consoles haven't reached their maximum potentials yet.

Can you clarify? Because the exact quote was "I don't think there's any reason for another Xbox until we test the limits of these boxes," Pachter said on the show. "We're not there yet. They can keep improving this thing."

I totally understand how he's not the one who should be talking about what devs can and can't do, but I think he was just saying what everyone already thinks and knows.