Not to mention the timeframes in the bible are kinda screwed up anyway. 

I mean... a lot of the historical groups the bible talk about seem to exist.  It's just it happened at times different then what you would expect from a direct linear reading. 

Some groups that have existed only in biblical scripture have later been proven to be true etc.  

There is a lot of value in the bible... it's just a matter of knowing what will and won't be changed after thousands of years.

616 is now 666 for example.

People weren't content with what was said... so they felt the need to fill in the gaps... and also remove other things that seemed to paint people in a bad light or change things.

I know both sides of the young earth creationism vs old earth debate.

In a nutshell...

Young earth creationism:

Yahweh made earth as described in the bible, about 6000-10000 years ago. There's no direct proof for a young earth, but they do claim to have evidence that goes against the old earth theory. In reality this evidence is false, and usuaully stems from a poor understanding of geology, evolution, and science in general. They believe a global flood happened, even though there is no physical signs of there being a global flood. They believe crazy stuff, like that global flood is responsible for layering of the soil, fossils, and they believed the flood carved things like the grand canyon. They believe the speed of light and the speed of decay magically changed with time. All of their claims are thoroughly refuted by actual science, the numbers don't match up at all.

Old earth:

All our most reliable dating methods say the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Things like canyons that take millions of tears to carved... Either the earth is very old... Or some god set up all the evidence to make it look that way. Why would a god want to trick us like that? How silly.

definitely this way!!! it's the most logical!!!

I've read a lot of stuff about which parts of the bible were altered. They altered words, added in missing parts of the story... For example, in the gospel of mark, the original text ended right after it said the women were too afraid to to tell anyone about the man in the tomb who said Jesus was going to resurrect. Later scribes filled in the end of the gospel.

Also, in many earlier parts of the bible like genesis, the word used translated to 'God' is actually 'Elohim', which is plural, and means 'Gods'.

The bible christians read today is so much different from the original. It was originally polytheistic, but the monotheistic translators were biased, and replaced all gods in the story with one god, YHWH.

Well... that and the original bible was just a scam culled together by the romans, cutting away that which didn't make it a good religion for Rome... going to nazi like levels to get rid of everything that contradicted their new set path for Christanity.

It's true, although they didn't think of it as a scam. They just wanted the religion to be more unified....

I agree with the extent that Christianity united Europe, which was a great thing. However, now that we know the truth, we need to move on. The moon had it's time as God, the Roman gods had their time, Jesus had his time, and now it's Darwin's time!

Thats because the Hebrews borrowed many aspects of their religion from the polytheistic Babylonians, examples including Creation and Noah's Flood from the Babylonian Enuma Elish and Epic of Gilgamesh.

If anyone is interested, here's a translation of the Epic of Gilgamesh.  I must warn you though that it is direct translation of a 4000 year old document, which makes it a horrible read.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm

^^^I love reading stuff like that. Ever read the emerald tablets of Thoth? :P

Never heard of it.