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Forums - Microsoft - Exposed: Natel Milo smoke and mirrors by Peter Molyneux

Procrastinato said:
Reasonable said:
Procrastinato said:
Milo is using a knowledge-based system to recognize words, and symbols. That's not a "hoax", its textbook AI. Nor is it revolutionary, I might add. Far from.

Honestly people are only excited about this because the vast majority of the media has ignored the accomplishments of AI research over the years, or believed it to be pie-in-the-sky and the stuff of science fiction plots. This isn't science fiction, nor is it really very interesting. KBS's were the very first form of AI. We're talking the 1950s here.

Very good point.  Heck, I remember devlivering my Thesis on Expert Systems in the eighties, where the use of such techniques was part of the interface elements for medical expert systems and the like - i.e. it interprets responses, checks against database key words, etc. to produce a diagnosis.

You have to applaud the marketing folks behind the Natal presentation, as they sure got the column inches they were no doubt aiming for.

 

Indeed. They dressed up an exercise in classic AI systems, using modern-day storage mediums and modern input devices, and managed to pass it as the "next big thing" in gaming.

As a computer scientist, I applaud this kind of stuff, since AI research has always been in the realm of the not-very-practical...  but for the same reason, I also know how flawed its likely to be, as I'm certain anyone with a degree in CS/CSE/whatever-your-school-called-it, and any computer vision, pattern recognition, or AI coursework under their belt (let alone research) does as well.

 

Degree in Computer Information Systems FYI (was called Computer Science then they changed it then a few years later went back to Computer Science).

And beer is definately good.

 



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

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PsicloneX said:
you know what? i have read this thread and i have noticed alot of naysayers in here claiming that natal is a fraud and that microsoft and company are being deceptive. i have taken names and will make a thread about these post when natal is released i see microsoft as being very aggressive about being in the game and will deliver on their natal promise. by the way to the naysayers what is natal no doing that microsoft said i would?voice rec,motion detection, it does all of these so what is the problem is it personal for some people.

 

Microsoft's Natal project merely looks different to anyone with expertise in computer vision, etc. than it does to the general public.  Also, their promotional video, shown at the E3 conference, shows several people sitting on the same couch, etc. "using" the would-be system flawlessly, whereas none of their demos actually demonstrated the capability of the system to distinguish between multiple persons in the Natal systems field of view, etc.  That alone is an incredibly difficult problem, and to pass it off in a promo video as something the system is intend to address, and then not having even a rudimentary demo to show of it is... pretty much unacceptable.

Natal itself is an honest project, and a worthy research effort.  I think the "problem" people have with it is that MS was pretty clearly trying to place it as something it wasn't -- some sort of family/friend get-together-and-play with a wide variety of uses and the reliability of proven systems like the Wii's controller setup.  I would say that borders very closely on false advertising, and that's not cool.

I personally wish the Natal project the best, however -- I'd love to see such a system take off, and I'd be very interested to learn about their techniques, if they truly are revolutionary.  Microsoft's attempted placement of the project, as a carrot to keep the 360 in the motion control race, is a little seedy, however.



 

Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:
heruamon said:
ROFLMAO...sony fanboys are seething with jealousy....indeed!

I'm a Sony fanboy and I'm not jealous. I'm more creeped out about making a little boy a plaything (whether or not you're already a mother or not) than the ultra violence (and unrealistic) violence in God of War III.

It's also wierd to think about excercise games with NATAL. Won't you think it's a bit ridiculous to even need NATAL when you're asked to do free weight activities with no equipment (push ups, crunches, etc).

WHAT?

Akvod...Don't talk about excercise and NATAL in the same sentence....Don't you think NATAL would be used for calistethic work outs?...Not free wieghts

Errr... correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't push ups and crunches Calisthenic?



BTW, does anyone here think it would be practical to steer a car game without a controller?

To me it seems so tiring holding your arms up in the air as if you would be holding a steering wheel. If you drive a car your hands rest on the wheel. I just don't think it's very practical and apart from that I think it just feels wrong without sensory pressure feedback...

The channel selection wavings seem more practical, but it's basically just the same as already implemented for various TVs. A nice mimick of what is already done elsewhere, but IMO not really innovative.



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