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Jobless Rate Rises To 9.4 Percent, But Layoffs Slow

May unemployment reached 9.4 percent, its highest rate in a quarter century, but the number of job cuts was far less than economists had feared and the fewest since September, the Labor Department reported Friday.

The data followed a report the previous day in which the total number of continuing claims for unemployment benefits fell for the first time since January, a month that witnessed the largest job losses since 1949.

The Labor Department said employers cut 345,000 jobs in May. Since the start of the recession in December 2007, about 7 million people have lost their jobs and the total number of unemployed people stands at 14.5 million. The number of people who have been unemployed for over two years has tripled since the beginning of the recession.

The unemployment rate, up from 8.9 percent in April, was the highest since July 1983 and higher than the 9.2 percent economists had forecast. Actual job losses were considerably fewer than the 520,000 expected, but that was offset by a larger-than-expected growth in the workforce.

If laid-off workers who have given up looking for new jobs or have settled for part-time work are included, the unemployment rate would have been 16.4 percent in May, the highest on records dating to 1994.

March and April's job losses also were revised to show smaller declines than first reported.

Manufacturing Sector Still Hit Hard

Although the number of job cuts eased, steep losses were nonetheless felt in the manufacturing sector, while declines in construction and the service sectors moderated, Labor said.

Manufacturing shed 156,000 jobs for the month, including in motor vehicles and parts, machinery and fabricated metal products. Unemployment in construction increased 59,000, concentrated in specialty trade contracting and residential construction. Retail trade was also down 18,000 jobs.

Education, health care, leisure and hospitality industries all added jobs in May.

Unemployment is considered a lagging indicator of economic health, and job cuts could still increase even as the broader economy rebounds.

The Federal Reserve forecasts unemployment will remain high into 2011, given an expectation of tepid recovery. Economists say the job market may not return to a 5 percent unemployment rate until 2013.

Signs Of A Recovery?

The numbers join fresh signs emerging earlier this week that the economy could be recovering.

The number of people continuing to draw unemployment benefits dipped for the first time in 20 weeks, and first-time claims also fell. Manufacturing's slide is slowing. Builders are boosting spending on construction projects and a barometer of home sales firmed.

Although shoppers remain cautious according to sales results from major retailers, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke and other economists are hopeful that consumers won't return to the deep hibernation seen at the end of last year.

That's when the recession hit with brutal force, causing the economy to contract at a 6.3 percent pace, the most in 25 years. Consumers cut their spending at the time by the most in nearly three decades. Economic activity shrank at a 5.7 percent pace in the first three months of this year, despite a rebound by consumers.

Many analysts believe the economy is shrinking at about a 2 percent pace in the current quarter, and that the economy could return to growth as soon as the third quarter. President Barack Obama's stimulus package should help bolster the economy.

Ripple effects from General Motors Corp.'s filing for bankruptcy protection - the fourth largest in U.S. history - could muddy the outlook, some analysts said. GM said earlier this week it will close nine factories and idle three others indefinitely as part of its restructuring. The closings, which will take place through the end of 2010, will cost up to 20,000 workers their jobs.



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More often than not now, when I check the DOW or NASDAQ, it's been a little bit up.

All good signs, it seems. :)



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Yea, only 345,000 more people not working this month then last month. Great.

And how does 9.4% actual, when Economists predicated 9.2% "Beat Expectations"?

When the unemployment number gets smaller, or stays the same, then we can talk. Until then. Things are still getting worse. Spin it however you like, but the economy is worse this month then it was last month. Period.

Absolutely nothing to celebrate yet.



TheRealMafoo said:
Yea, only 345,000 more people not working this month then last month. Great.

And how does 9.4% actual, when Economists predicated 9.2% "Beat Expectations"?

When the unemployment number gets smaller, or stays the same, then we can talk. Until then. Things are still getting worse. Spin it however you like, but the economy is worse this month then it was last month. Period.

Absolutely nothing to celebrate yet.

You are right, it should say job loss numbers beat expectations.  I can't edit the title.  The workforce grew substantially apparently.

However, the markets are happy about the news.  Up 60 points for the day so far at 8810.  Odds are decent we will hit 9000 by the end of next week.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Yea, only 345,000 more people not working this month then last month. Great.

And how does 9.4% actual, when Economists predicated 9.2% "Beat Expectations"?

When the unemployment number gets smaller, or stays the same, then we can talk. Until then. Things are still getting worse. Spin it however you like, but the economy is worse this month then it was last month. Period.

Absolutely nothing to celebrate yet.

You are right, it should say job loss numbers beat expectations.  I can't edit the title.  The workforce grew substantially apparently.

However, the markets are happy about the news.  Up 60 points for the day so far at 8810.  Odds are decent we will hit 9000 by the end of next week.

It's great that people are finding jobs. We just need to get that number higher then those loosing them.

The less spin way to show job numbers would be:

The additional number of people in 2009 looking for jobs in addition to 2008:

Jan: 740K
Feb: 1,390K
March: 2,040K
April: 2,560K
May: 2,905K 

When the next number is smaller then the last, we are improving. Until then, things are getting worse.

 

Oh, and here is a chart of unemployment. Paints a different picture then NPR seems to.



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No one is disputing the numbers you posted. But the fact remains that less bad numbers are good in comparison. Thus, they can be good news. Once again, the stock market has been on a role for the last few months, so obviously people aren't feeling so bad about the economy as they were before.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
No one is disputing the numbers you posted. But the fact remains that less bad numbers are good in comparison.

In comparison to what?

I guess we can compare all wars to WWII where what, 50+ million people died. If less die in whatever war we are looking at, the death toll is good news right?

Taking bad numbers, and comparing them to last month, last year, or anything else, and saying they are good because those numbers are worse, is spin.

It's not good news. At least not to me. I guess to some people, getting in a car accident and only loosing and arm could be seen as good news.

If your one of those people. This is good news.



Well, maybe you would rather hear no positive news at all?

Should it all be horrible outlooks and forecasts and everything all the time?

How dare people try to put a positive spin on anything!



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BTW, Losing is what happens when you drop or lose something.

Loosing is what happens when you loosen a nut or bolt.

I don't even know if "loosing" is technically a word.



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Step 1: Cut back on unnecessary projects, canceling them, reducing their scope or increasing their timeline; and lay off workers who are no longer have work to do.

Step 2: Cut back or freeze wages, increase part time work at the expense of full time work, stop hiring, consolidate office space, and reduce unnecessary costs.

Step 3: Wait ...

If work/revenues begins to increase in the near future increase investment/spending ... If they stay the same or get worse return to step 1.

 

Most companies have completed step 1, and are already on step 2 or step 3, and the slowing of job losses does not mean that the economy is getting better or has stopped getting worse; it only means that more companies are waiting to see what their revenues are like before they make further cuts. It is very likely that we could see another wave of layoffs before the end of the year which pushes the reported unemployment rate past 15% and the "Real" unemployment rate past 20%.