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ameratsu said:
Ronster316 said:
Price.

Super powered PC.............. £2000 (with upgrades constantly needed)

VS

Super powered 360.......... £129

If i can get almost everything i can on a PC for a fraction of the price, i'm gonna take the cheaper option...... More value for money.

 

Do people honestly still think this is the case for PC gaming? Complete FUD.

My PC was $650 all in and plays anything I care to throw at it and is used for much more than gaming. I also am able to get x360 "exclusives" for $10 less brand new, and often 50% or more off through Steam sales. Free online and better versions of the same games as well.

My advice to x360 fans: Tone down the gaming PC pricing hyperbole.

 

100% agreed.


And upgrade costs are moot.  95% of games that come out for PC also come out for PS360, so if you build a PC that is on par with the PS360, it will be pretty much be guaranteed to play those cross-platform games at least as long as a PS360 would.

I mean, there's no way that COD:Modern Warfare2 will have significantly higher requirements (if any) than COD4.



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360 wins simply due to price for me shio.

Bottom line is that if you want to keep playing the best PC games then you simply have to keep upgrading.

As for game prices............ thats not a factor either.

I could have picked up NBA 2K7 for under £3 from amazon but bought it in a shop for £4 for "convenience" reasons.

My best game deals so far on 360 (prices i paid for these games)...........

Rockstar table tennis £2 (CEX)
NBA 2K6 £3 (cex)
Crackdown £6 (gamestation)
Dark sector (£5 play.com with free delivery)
Call of duty 2 £4 (gamestation)
Condemned: criminal origins £6 (CEX)
Quake 4 £2.50 (independant game shop)
Prey £4 (CEX)
Dead rising (2nd time i owned it) £8 (Blockbuster)

The list is endless.................................

Sure, PC games are a little cheaper to begin with.

But it's not like either the PC or 360 are lacking in games.



nightsurge said:
shio said:
nightsurge said:
shio said:
Ronster316 said:
Price.

Super powered PC.............. £2000 (with upgrades constantly needed)

VS

Super powered 360.......... £129

If i can get almost everything i can on a PC for a fraction of the price, i'm gonna take the cheaper option...... More value for money.

Almost no one buys £2000 PCs. Nowadays a £400 can do a much better job at running games than any console. PC prices have decreased dramatically in the last few years. Hell, you can now build a PC that plays games better cheaper than a PS3.

Many people consider now that PC gaming is cheaper than Console gaming due to the cheaper prices of games, which are often $10-$20 less than the console versions. You also don't need to play $50 every year just to play online.

Unfortunately your argument has no merit seeing how you cannot buy a PC at retail that costs $400 and plays games anywhere near the level of the 360 or PS3.

Not many people shop around for weeks to find the most disclosed deals to make such a budget custom built PC.  Sure many people build their own PCs, but many more just buy them at retail and those never have good enough video cards for $400 or less.

Not for $400, but you can find a gaming PC for $500 at retail. A friend of mine just bought a $600 gaming laptop which easily plays better than any console.

But it doesn't matter because all the extra money you put initially in your PC will later be saved from buying the much cheaper PC games, and not having to pay for playing for online.

Links to such deals?  Remember, the Xbox 360 and PS3 can output HD games at 1920x1080 resolution, so the video card necessary for a PC or Laptop to do such a thing would need to be a 9800GT/HD4770 minimum, and to have max settings and solid frame rates you would probably need around the GTX 260/HD 4870 coupled with a fast dual core CPU or better.

My friend's $600 laptop has a 9800GT 512MB.

And come on, X360 and PS3 can output at 1920x1080, but the thing is... they don't! Halo 3 only had like 640p resolution, and GTA4 only had 600p in both X360 and PS3 version, well below the so-called "HD experience". Both consoles can't take much more than that. Hell, even Rockstar said that the graphical quality of the console versions of GTA4 is around the "low settings" of the PC version.

Any modern GPU will be able to output HD resolution given the game, it only depends on how much does the game push for graphics.



sega4life said:

Thread title and OP are inaccurate..

What does Facebook and Twitter have to do with games?

You add that you have to add the browser addon..

O wait, the 360 is the only console that doesn't have a browser... go figure..

Bolded red = Exactly my point.



The X360 needs a mouse and a keyboard, so it could pass as a low-end PC.



 

 

 

 

 

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shio said:
nightsurge said:
shio said:
nightsurge said:
shio said:
Ronster316 said:
Price.

Super powered PC.............. £2000 (with upgrades constantly needed)

VS

Super powered 360.......... £129

If i can get almost everything i can on a PC for a fraction of the price, i'm gonna take the cheaper option...... More value for money.

Almost no one buys £2000 PCs. Nowadays a £400 can do a much better job at running games than any console. PC prices have decreased dramatically in the last few years. Hell, you can now build a PC that plays games better cheaper than a PS3.

Many people consider now that PC gaming is cheaper than Console gaming due to the cheaper prices of games, which are often $10-$20 less than the console versions. You also don't need to play $50 every year just to play online.

Unfortunately your argument has no merit seeing how you cannot buy a PC at retail that costs $400 and plays games anywhere near the level of the 360 or PS3.

Not many people shop around for weeks to find the most disclosed deals to make such a budget custom built PC.  Sure many people build their own PCs, but many more just buy them at retail and those never have good enough video cards for $400 or less.

Not for $400, but you can find a gaming PC for $500 at retail. A friend of mine just bought a $600 gaming laptop which easily plays better than any console.

But it doesn't matter because all the extra money you put initially in your PC will later be saved from buying the much cheaper PC games, and not having to pay for playing for online.

Links to such deals?  Remember, the Xbox 360 and PS3 can output HD games at 1920x1080 resolution, so the video card necessary for a PC or Laptop to do such a thing would need to be a 9800GT/HD4770 minimum, and to have max settings and solid frame rates you would probably need around the GTX 260/HD 4870 coupled with a fast dual core CPU or better.

My friend's $600 laptop has a 9800GT 512MB.

And come on, X360 and PS3 can output at 1920x1080, but the thing is... they don't! Halo 3 only had like 640p resolution, and GTA4 only had 600p in both X360 and PS3 version, well below the so-called "HD experience". Both consoles can't take much more than that. Hell, even Rockstar said that the graphical quality of the console versions of GTA4 is around the "low settings" of the PC version.

Any modern GPU will be able to output HD resolution given the game, it only depends on how much does the game push for graphics.

A 9800M GT you mean.  Technically a laptop would need to be even higher because the mobile counterparts to the desktop cards are not equal in power.

Also, the games true res may be low, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 scale them internally and still output an image that is 1080p.  Where did you friend happen to get a $600 laptop at retail that has a 9800M GT in it?  Lowest I have seen to have such a card was $1000.  Also, where are the links to those $500 retail PCs that have a good video card?

A 9500GT cannot support gaming at high settings with AA enabled like the 360 can, so don't try to give me one of those PC configs.  I'll lower it and say a 9600GT/HD4670 minimum.

Also, the Xbox 360 is striving to be an entire social networking experience in and of itself.  That's why it has Facebook and Twitter and all these other great features built in/added in.  PC's can do them to, yeah, but this is a unique experience designed to take advantage of the living room and the larger TV.



Ronster316 said:
Bottom line is that if you want to keep playing the best PC games then you simply have to keep upgrading.

No... you don't.


Bioshock 2, COD:MW2, Mass Effect 2, all of these games will be designed to run on the same hardware as their predecessors.


Hell, Crysis 2 will likely have LOWER requirements than the first one, since it will also be available on the PS3 and 360.



PCs are generally defined by moddability, aren't they? The Xbox 360 is too closed in terms of hardware and software to be considered a PC.



shio, not sure we should do that. But I know we should welcome you to the realm of trolldom.



Far ffrom it...M$ wants to leverage it's advantages in PC gaming to the Xbox...smart imho. I'm a PC gamer and a 360 gamer, so alot of this is seamless to me, and my PC gaming experience is amplified by my console gaming, and vice versa. More importantly for developers and therefore gamers is that M$ is going to move gaming development on the Xbox family, closer to PC gaming, which will help to make PC/Xbox gaming almost seamless.



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