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This is by the most recent Nobel Prize winner in economics, Paul Krugman.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/29/opinion/29krugman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Suddenly it seems as if everyone is talking about inflation. Stern opinion pieces warn that hyperinflation is just around the corner. And markets may be heeding these warnings: Interest rates on long-term government bonds are up, with fear of future inflation one possible reason for the interest-rate spike.

But does the big inflation scare make any sense? Basically, no — with one caveat I’ll get to later. And I suspect that the scare is at least partly about politics rather than economics.

First things first. It’s important to realize that there’s no hint of inflationary pressures in the economy right now. Consumer prices are lower now than they were a year ago, and wage increases have stalled in the face of high unemployment. Deflation, not inflation, is the clear and present danger.

So if prices aren’t rising, why the inflation worries? Some claim that the Federal Reserve is printing lots of money, which must be inflationary, while others claim that budget deficits will eventually force the U.S. government to inflate away its debt.

The first story is just wrong. The second could be right, but isn’t.

Now, it’s true that the Fed has taken unprecedented actions lately. More specifically, it has been buying lots of debt both from the government and from the private sector, and paying for these purchases by crediting banks with extra reserves. And in ordinary times, this would be highly inflationary: banks, flush with reserves, would increase loans, which would drive up demand, which would push up prices.

But these aren’t ordinary times. Banks aren’t lending out their extra reserves. They’re just sitting on them — in effect, they’re sending the money right back to the Fed. So the Fed isn’t really printing money after all.

Still, don’t such actions have to be inflationary sooner or later? No. The Bank of Japan, faced with economic difficulties not too different from those we face today, purchased debt on a huge scale between 1997 and 2003. What happened to consumer prices? They fell.

All in all, much of the current inflation discussion calls to mind what happened during the early years of the Great Depression when many influential people were warning about inflation even as prices plunged. As the British economist Ralph Hawtrey wrote, “Fantastic fears of inflation were expressed. That was to cry, Fire, Fire in Noah’s Flood.” And he went on, “It is after depression and unemployment have subsided that inflation becomes dangerous.”

Is there a risk that we’ll have inflation after the economy recovers? That’s the claim of those who look at projections that federal debt may rise to more than 100 percent of G.D.P. and say that America will eventually have to inflate away that debt — that is, drive up prices so that the real value of the debt is reduced.

Such things have happened in the past. For example, France ultimately inflated away much of the debt it incurred while fighting World War I.

But more modern examples are lacking. Over the past two decades, Belgium, Canada and, of course, Japan have all gone through episodes when debt exceeded 100 percent of G.D.P. And the United States itself emerged from World War II with debt exceeding 120 percent of G.D.P. In none of these cases did governments resort to inflation to resolve their problems.

So is there any reason to think that inflation is coming? Some economists have argued for moderate inflation as a deliberate policy, as a way to encourage lending and reduce private debt burdens. I’m sympathetic to these arguments and made a similar case for Japan in the 1990s. But the case for inflation never made headway with Japanese policy makers then, and there’s no sign it’s getting traction with U.S. policy makers now.

All of this raises the question: If inflation isn’t a real risk, why all the claims that it is?

Well, as you may have noticed, economists sometimes disagree. And big disagreements are especially likely in weird times like the present, when many of the normal rules no longer apply.

But it’s hard to escape the sense that the current inflation fear-mongering is partly political, coming largely from economists who had no problem with deficits caused by tax cuts but suddenly became fiscal scolds when the government started spending money to rescue the economy. And their goal seems to be to bully the Obama administration into abandoning those rescue efforts.

Needless to say, the president should not let himself be bullied. The economy is still in deep trouble and needs continuing help.

Yes, we have a long-run budget problem, and we need to start laying the groundwork for a long-run solution. But when it comes to inflation, the only thing we have to fear is inflation fear itself.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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I'm taking a wait and see approach.  Afterall... economists got us in this... and none of them saw it coming even though a giant recession coming eventually was obvious.

As for Krugmen. Well... he's one the Nobel Prize but he's also one of the most partisian economists out there prone to cherry picking and doing just about anything to prove his "side" right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman#Criticism



that article is a disgrace, and clearly written to support his own political views.

"But it’s hard to escape the sense that the current inflation fear-mongering is partly political, coming largely from economists who had no problem with deficits caused by tax cuts but suddenly became fiscal scolds when the government started spending money to rescue the economy. And their goal seems to be to bully the Obama administration into abandoning those rescue efforts."

Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and all other libertarians have always opposed any form of unconstitunial goverment spending so this argument is bullshit. it does however apply to most republicans.

It also completely ignores the fact that dollar has lost enormous amount of worh in the last ten years.
And giving Belgium as an example of a country that has been able to deal wel with debt more than 100 percent of G.D.P is pretty ridicoulus. trust me I live there and the way things are going now are so bad even the honorary gouverner of the national bank has addmited in an interview that young people in this country only have two options move out or work really hard on trying to pass reforms



How can you possibly misspell QWERTY? It's spelled correctly on the damn keyboard.

Is it my imagination or do economists seem more and more like over-educated under-experienced elitests who sit in their ivory tower completely disconnected with reality?

Through most of the western world this recession has had an impact on consumer confidence which has translated into a shift in the savings rate of citizens going from being negative to positive for the first time in decades. This is (generally speaking) a very good thing because (over time) it would make people more self reliant, and all most people would sacrifice is buying stuff they don’t need. The reason why such drastic acts have been taken to reverse this trend is because of how much of the economic growth over the past 3 decades has been imaginary; that is, economic growth that is driven by people going deeper and deeper into debt.

At the same time, the massive drop in the markets has provided large inflows of cash from other nations into treasuries as investors (world wide) seek to protect their money. This massive inflow of cash acts to increase the value of the dollar which acts as protection against inflation.

When you combine them both together the government has some room in the short run to increase the money supply without having an impact on inflation. The problem is that the United States is heading for a cliff and few people realize it ... Treasury prices are falling which increases the yeild, and in order for the government to control the interest rates they will (probably) have to dramatically increase money supply and buy these treasuries; and when investors decide that buying a treasury is a poor investment because its value will be eaten away by inflation the cashflow into the United States will reverse. At the same time, the governments efforts to return people to debt financing their lifestyles seems to be having some impact and consumer confidence is rising; and it is likely the savings rate will fall in the near future.

Basically, it is quite possible for the US to go from having little/no inflationary pressure to having high inflation over-night with one or two bad decisions by the government or federal reserve.



Daniel Okrent, a New York Times ombudsman, criticized Paul Krugman for "the disturbing habit of shaping, slicing and selectively citing numbers in a fashion that pleases his acolytes but leaves him open to substantive assaults." Okrent has also said that "when someone challenged Krugman on the facts, he tended to question the motivation and ignore the substance."

A November 13, 2003 article in The Economist reads: "A glance through his past columns reveals a growing tendency to attribute all the world's ills to George Bush…Even his economics is sometimes stretched…Overall, the effect is to give lay readers the illusion that Mr Krugman's perfectly respectable personal political beliefs can somehow be derived empirically from economic theory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman

my question, is in 2003-2004 time frame, did he predict this recession? Ron Paul did, and he said why it would happen (along with a dozen other predictions). So if Ron Paul is going to say interest rates are going up, and this guy says they are not... I am going to go with the guy who has always been right.



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akuma587 said:

But these aren’t ordinary times. Banks aren’t lending out their extra reserves. They’re just sitting on them — in effect, they’re sending the money right back to the Fed. So the Fed isn’t really printing money after all.

Plus this line is bullshit. He is implying it's the same thing to sit on the funds as it is to pay the fed back.

What's going on right now, is akin to giving out a line of credit that no one is charging on. Being that they are not charging on this credit, the Fed does not need to print money. It can just spend the money the banks aren't. As soon as the economy starts to recover, and banks start lending in masse, the fed will need to start printing.



I usually follow Denninger and he seems to be right on most of the times.
Big inflation is coming, but how big?



Sylvarantinc said:
that article is a disgrace, and clearly written to support his own political views.

"But it’s hard to escape the sense that the current inflation fear-mongering is partly political, coming largely from economists who had no problem with deficits caused by tax cuts but suddenly became fiscal scolds when the government started spending money to rescue the economy. And their goal seems to be to bully the Obama administration into abandoning those rescue efforts."

Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and all other libertarians have always opposed any form of unconstitunial goverment spending so this argument is bullshit. it does however apply to most republicans.

It also completely ignores the fact that dollar has lost enormous amount of worh in the last ten years.
And giving Belgium as an example of a country that has been able to deal wel with debt more than 100 percent of G.D.P is pretty ridicoulus. trust me I live there and the way things are going now are so bad even the honorary gouverner of the national bank has addmited in an interview that young people in this country only have two options move out or work really hard on trying to pass reforms

Its funny how so many of you talk about Krugman distorting numbers but then cite no numbers of your own.  That is what we call an "ad hominem" attack.

Inflation and value relative to other currencies are not the same things.  How about we discuss the right numbers.  The most recent numbers plainly show that the dollar is deflating and will most likely do so on average for the rest of the year.

Historic inflation:

http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/historicalinflation.aspx

  2009   0.03%   0.24%   -0.38%   -0.74%                  
  2008   4.28%   4.03%   3.98%   3.94%   4.18%   5.02%   5.60%   5.37%   4.94%   3.66%   1.07%   0.09%   3.85%
  2007   2.08%   2.42%   2.78%   2.57%   2.69%   2.69%   2.36%   1.97%   2.76%   3.54%   4.31%   4.08%   2.85%
  2006   3.99%   3.60%   3.36%   3.55%   4.17%   4.32%   4.15%   3.82%   2.06%   1.31%   1.97%   2.54%   3.24%
  2005   2.97%   3.01%   3.15%   3.51%   2.80%   2.53%   3.17%   3.64%   4.69%   4.35%   3.46%   3.42%   3.39%
  2004   1.93%   1.69%   1.74%   2.29%   3.05%   3.27%   2.99%   2.65%   2.54%   3.19%   3.52%   3.26%   2.68%
  2003   2.60%   2.98%   3.02%   2.22%   2.06%   2.11%   2.11%   2.16%   2.32%   2.04%   1.77%   1.88%   2.27%
  2002   1.14%   1.14%   1.48%   1.64%   1.18%   1.07%   1.46%   1.80%   1.51%   2.03%   2.20%   2.38%   1.59%
  2001   3.73%   3.53%   2.92%   3.27%   3.62%   3.25%   2.72%   2.72%   2.65%   2.13%   1.90%   1.55%   2.83%
  2000   2.74%   3.22%   3.76%   3.07%   3.19%   3.73%   3.66%   3.41%   3.45%   3.45%   3.45%   3.39%   3.38%
  1999   1.67%   1.61%   1.73%   2.28%   2.09%   1.96%   2.14%   2.26%   2.63%   2.56%   2.62%   2.68%   2.19%
  1998   1.57%   1.44%   1.37%   1.44%   1.69%   1.68%   1.68%   1.62%   1.49%   1.49%   1.55%   1.61%   1.55%

Projected inflation:

U.S. Inflation Rate Forecast

http://forecasts.org/inflation.htm

Year Over Year Change in Consumer Price Index Percent
Month Date Forecast
Value
50%
Correct +/-
80%
Correct +/-
0 Apr 2009 -0.62 0.0 0.0
1 May 2009 -0.9 0.4 0.9
2 Jun 2009 -1.7 0.5 1.0
3 Jul 2009 -2.2 0.5 1.2
4 Aug 2009 -2.4 0.6 1.3
5 Sep 2009 -2.1 0.6 1.4
6 Oct 2009 -1.4 0.7 1.5
7 Nov 2009 -0.6 0.7 1.5
8 Dec 2009 0.4 0.7 1.6

And the phenomenon you are talking about could just as easily be attributed to our unhealthy trade balance with China and China's unwillingness to let their currency fluctuate regularly on the international market (a blatantly protectionist policy) that severely hurts our currency.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson