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Zizzla_Rachet on 24 May 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Ultibankai said:
Interesting!! Can we not compare, Killzone 2 to Halo 3, technically? You say the art styles are different, but the technology behind them is also different. So couldn't it be that Killzone 2 is technically superior.

The problem is that Killzone has no coop or split screen......so add the 5 years of dev and you got a fanboy dream

Killzone 2 was not in development since Feb 2004, just so you know. This is the problem when people let personal preference interfere with reality, it too often causes major errors to circulate.

The tech demo was shown in may 2005...How long would you say that it took them to make the tech demo....

Seriously? You really think that tech demo was in development since Feb 2004? Do you know when the first Killzone launched? At this point, if you're going to make bold claims, back them up with links, or your claims are false.

I have not said that I think it was in dev since feb 2004....Where did I claim that is was in development since feb 2004?.....I asked you "How long would you say it took them to make the Tech Demo

 

At E3 2005, Killzone 2 was debuted with a trailer depicting soldiers landing in a hostile war-zone on Helghan and fighting Helghast forces. Critics in the media argued that the trailer shown at the trade show did not show actual gameplay footage, as its high level of visual detail has been argued to be impossible to render in real-time on the PlayStation 3 and the audio mix of the trailer was slightly delayed. SCEA's Vice President, Jack Tretton, stated that the footage of Killzone 2, that was believed to be pre-rendered, "is real gameplay everybody's seeing out there".[24] Several days later, Phil Harrison, SCE Europe's Vice President of Development, stated in an interview that all of the footage of PlayStation 3 games at E3 2005 were "running off video" which was "done to PS3 spec".[25]



 



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Zizzla_Rachet on 24 May 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Ultibankai said:
Interesting!! Can we not compare, Killzone 2 to Halo 3, technically? You say the art styles are different, but the technology behind them is also different. So couldn't it be that Killzone 2 is technically superior.

The problem is that Killzone has no coop or split screen......so add the 5 years of dev and you got a fanboy dream

Killzone 2 was not in development since Feb 2004, just so you know. This is the problem when people let personal preference interfere with reality, it too often causes major errors to circulate.

The tech demo was shown in may 2005...How long would you say that it took them to make the tech demo....

Seriously? You really think that tech demo was in development since Feb 2004? Do you know when the first Killzone launched? At this point, if you're going to make bold claims, back them up with links, or your claims are false.

I have not said that I think it was in dev since feb 2004....Where did I claim that is was in development since feb 2004?.....I asked you "How long would you say it took them to make the Tech Demo

 

At E3 2005, Killzone 2 was debuted with a trailer depicting soldiers landing in a hostile war-zone on Helghan and fighting Helghast forces. Critics in the media argued that the trailer shown at the trade show did not show actual gameplay footage, as its high level of visual detail has been argued to be impossible to render in real-time on the PlayStation 3 and the audio mix of the trailer was slightly delayed. SCEA's Vice President, Jack Tretton, stated that the footage of Killzone 2, that was believed to be pre-rendered, "is real gameplay everybody's seeing out there".[24] Several days later, Phil Harrison, SCE Europe's Vice President of Development, stated in an interview that all of the footage of PlayStation 3 games at E3 2005 were "running off video" which was "done to PS3 spec".[25]

You said Killzone 2 had a "5 year dev time". Since Killzone 2 launched in Feb 2009, when would development, in your own words, have started?

Well..I would have to assume that the work on the tech demo took about 6 months at least....

So from November 04.....But at no point did I give a certain date to when dev started..

Sure I did rounded it of due to my uncertanty of how long the tech Demo took to make



 



Squilliam on 24 May 2009

@ CGI: Killzone 2 originally started life as a Wolf 3d clone and developed from there. So its been in development for almost 20 years.



Tease.

Zizzla_Rachet on 24 May 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Ultibankai said:
Interesting!! Can we not compare, Killzone 2 to Halo 3, technically? You say the art styles are different, but the technology behind them is also different. So couldn't it be that Killzone 2 is technically superior.

The problem is that Killzone has no coop or split screen......so add the 5 years of dev and you got a fanboy dream

Killzone 2 was not in development since Feb 2004, just so you know. This is the problem when people let personal preference interfere with reality, it too often causes major errors to circulate.

The tech demo was shown in may 2005...How long would you say that it took them to make the tech demo....

Seriously? You really think that tech demo was in development since Feb 2004? Do you know when the first Killzone launched? At this point, if you're going to make bold claims, back them up with links, or your claims are false.

I have not said that I think it was in dev since feb 2004....Where did I claim that is was in development since feb 2004?.....I asked you "How long would you say it took them to make the Tech Demo

 

At E3 2005, Killzone 2 was debuted with a trailer depicting soldiers landing in a hostile war-zone on Helghan and fighting Helghast forces. Critics in the media argued that the trailer shown at the trade show did not show actual gameplay footage, as its high level of visual detail has been argued to be impossible to render in real-time on the PlayStation 3 and the audio mix of the trailer was slightly delayed. SCEA's Vice President, Jack Tretton, stated that the footage of Killzone 2, that was believed to be pre-rendered, "is real gameplay everybody's seeing out there".[24] Several days later, Phil Harrison, SCE Europe's Vice President of Development, stated in an interview that all of the footage of PlayStation 3 games at E3 2005 were "running off video" which was "done to PS3 spec".[25]

You said Killzone 2 had a "5 year dev time". Since Killzone 2 launched in Feb 2009, when would development, in your own words, have started?

Well..I would have to assume that the work on the tech demo took about 6 months at least....

So from November 04.....

Sure I did rounded it of due to my uncertanty of how long the tech Demo took to make

Again, speculation and assumptions don't make for a valid argument. From what I understand, though like you I have no proof, Killzone 2 development was no more than 3.5 years, with 2 years of "full production". I'm more inclined to believe this, as the first PS3 dev kits went out sometime in early 2006.

If that's true, that's NOT a "5 year dev time".

I don't see how your speculation would suddenly make the dev time 3.5...At this point your statements are as valid as mine........

Why would you inclined to believe it with no proof?....

The Tech Demo was shown in may 2005...GG is a Sony first party studio so I would not believe that they got dev kits at the same time as everyone else did.....

If the PS3 Dev kits went out in early 2006 and GG got them at that time then that makes this video very true

 

 



 



Megadude on 24 May 2009
Squilliam said:
@ CGI: Killzone 2 originally started life as a Wolf 3d clone and developed from there. So its been in development for almost 20 years.

Halo 3 looks better then Killzone 2. Look see I can be sarcastic too!! Though more often then not these attempts at humor are are more tragic then sarcastic.



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Zizzla_Rachet on 24 May 2009
Megadude said:
Squilliam said:
@ CGI: Killzone 2 originally started life as a Wolf 3d clone and developed from there. So its been in development for almost 20 years.

Halo 3 looks better then Killzone 2. Look see I can be sarcastic too!! Though more often then not these attempts at humor are are more tragic then sarcastic.

Halo 3 sold more in it's first hour than Killzone 2 did in it's first month....See I too can be....Wait.....Nevermind...I just failed at being sarcastic



 



Megadude on 24 May 2009
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Megadude said:
Squilliam said:
@ CGI: Killzone 2 originally started life as a Wolf 3d clone and developed from there. So its been in development for almost 20 years.

Halo 3 looks better then Killzone 2. Look see I can be sarcastic too!! Though more often then not these attempts at humor are are more tragic then sarcastic.

Halo 3 sold more in it's first hour than Killzone 2 did in it's first month....See I too can be....Wait.....Nevermind...I just failed at being sarcastic

Here let me help you. "Nintendogs has not outsold Halo 3 by close to 12 million".

Yeah you better bring up Halo 3 sales because you'll never find a link in which MS claims that the 360 is more powerful then PS3. They would get sued for false advertising. But keep up the posts of 360fanboy made youtube videos.

;)



Zizzla_Rachet on 24 May 2009
Megadude said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Megadude said:
Squilliam said:
@ CGI: Killzone 2 originally started life as a Wolf 3d clone and developed from there. So its been in development for almost 20 years.

Halo 3 looks better then Killzone 2. Look see I can be sarcastic too!! Though more often then not these attempts at humor are are more tragic then sarcastic.

Halo 3 sold more in it's first hour than Killzone 2 did in it's first month....See I too can be....Wait.....Nevermind...I just failed at being sarcastic

Here let me help you. "Nintendogs has not outsold Halo 3 by close to 12 million".

Yeah you better bring up Halo 3 sales because you'll never find a link in which MS claims that the 360 is more powerful then PS3. They would get sued for false advertising. But keep up the posts of 360fanboy made youtube videos.

;)

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/article1553699.ece

 

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm



 



FullofWin on 24 May 2009


Megadude on 24 May 2009
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Megadude said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Megadude said:
Squilliam said:
@ CGI: Killzone 2 originally started life as a Wolf 3d clone and developed from there. So its been in development for almost 20 years.

Halo 3 looks better then Killzone 2. Look see I can be sarcastic too!! Though more often then not these attempts at humor are are more tragic then sarcastic.

Halo 3 sold more in it's first hour than Killzone 2 did in it's first month....See I too can be....Wait.....Nevermind...I just failed at being sarcastic

Here let me help you. "Nintendogs has not outsold Halo 3 by close to 12 million".

Yeah you better bring up Halo 3 sales because you'll never find a link in which MS claims that the 360 is more powerful then PS3. They would get sued for false advertising. But keep up the posts of 360fanboy made youtube videos.

;)

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/article1553699.ece

Lol here the guy never mentions for a second that the 360 is more powerful then the PS3. He's actually argueing that the PS3 is too ahead of it's time that people should't switch to bluray just stick with DVD.

“It’s two, three years ahead of the market,” he said. “People won’t want to replace their entire DVD collections, and they’ll get a better resolution with a standard DVD on an Xbox than a PS3.” "He conceded that the PlayStation’s graphics would give the Xbox a run for its money". The actual implication is that PS3 is more powerful but that 360 has better games. A good arguement for 2006.

 

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

Spin from 2005? A year and a half before the PS3 even comes out?

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm

Lol moar FUD from 2006/2007? This time you don't even bother to get a quote from MS. From now on everytime you post FUD from 2-3 years ago remind yourself how dated your arguements really are. Your youtube posts were as old and outdated as your HD-DVD add-on.