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Posted: 09:32 PM ET


From CNN Congressional Producer Deirdre Walsh

A bill that would create a 'cap and trade' system was passed by the House Energy and Commerce committee.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – President Obama's push for a new energy policy got a major boost Thursday when a key House panel approved a plan aimed at addressing climate change.

The House Energy and Commerce committee passed the bill largely along party lines, 33-25. One Republican, Rep Mary Bono Mack, of California, voted with the Democrats in favor of the bill.

The bill, drafted by Democrats, would create a so-called "cap and trade" system for U.S. businesses to sell credits for pollution.

It sets a target for cutting greenhouse gases by 17 percent from their 2005 levels by 2020. An auction for the credits, which effectively starts in 2014, allows businesses who meet the new energy standard to sell their credits to those who are still working to become more energy efficient.

"We are now one step closer to delivering on the promise of a new clean energy economy that will make America less dependent on foreign oil, crack down on polluters, and create millions of new jobs all across America," Obama said in a written statement.

Faced with opposition from fellow Democrats, committee Chairman Henry Waxman agreed to divide up free permits or "allowances" to various industries such as electric utilities, coal and natural gas companies.

The allowances give businesses more time to make the transition and protect consumers from sudden rate hikes in energy costs.

The bill also sets aside a portion of the auction proceeds to subsidize energy bills for low and moderate income families.

According to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, when the auction goes into full effect it could yield an average of about $100 billion a year. Democrats argue this will spur a new marketplace for clean energy technologies and generate new "green" jobs.

"Today we have chosen bold action to preserve good paying jobs here in America and preserve our planet," said Rep. Edward Markey, a Democrat from Massachusetts who cosponsored the bill with Waxman.

The legislation also includes a new requirement that energy suppliers generate a total of 20 percent of their energy from more energy-efficient sources by 2025.

Governors of states who are unable to meet this standard using renewable sources can petition for an additional 3 percent to be met through other energy-saving means.

Most House Republicans maintain that the bill amounts to a "national energy tax," arguing that as utility companies work to meet the new standards, they will pass on the costs of the new mandates to consumers.

Four Democrats on the committee — Rep. Mike Ross, of Arkansas, Rep. Jim Matheson, of Utah, Rep. Charlie Melancon, of Louisiana, and Rep. Jim Barrow, of Georgia — voted against the plan.

House Democratic leaders have pledged to have a vote on the House floor before the month-long congressional break in August. President Obama has called for Congress to send him an energy bill this year.



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How would one sell a credit, or buy one? Who are the brokers?



TheRealMafoo said:
How would one sell a credit, or buy one? Who are the brokers?

The way it works is that you are given a certain amount of free ones (mostly to power companies) from the government and can buy more from the government.  In addition (from my understanding), say if you didn't use up all the free ones you were given, companies could buy and sell those between each other.  I imagine they would have to document it in some way or go through some kind of proceeding so that all the credits are ultimately accounted for.

Many people think this is better than the previous version as it gives away some credits for free (the previous one gave none away) and the demands are a bit less stringent.  One thing I like is that under this plan, companies that are meeting the requirements and have leftover credits can actually make money from it while under the previous plan they could not have done so.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

What is this going to do to people gas and electric bills?



TheRealMafoo said:
What is this going to do to people gas and electric bills?

It sort of depends on who provides your energy, what type of energy they are using, and what region of the country you are in.  But for the average person it will raise their energy costs.  I can't really give you any solid numbers or percentages as I haven't looked into it and there is no final bill (about 400 amendments have been proposed).  Costs will level out once energy companies start shifting their resources around (which is already happening and will continue to accelerate).  If you are getting your energy from nuclear, wind, hydroelectric, solar, geothermal, etc., it won't really affect how much you pay.

I hope this stimulates investment in nuclear facilities.  We are doing very well in wind, decent in solar, but still lacking in development of new nuclear energy plants.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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Eh. As always... something that's good it's being done... but is being done via the wrong means and via alarmism over something with very little proof.

So... happy it's happening... sad at how.

This of course has very little to do with alternative energy... and much more to do with generating tax revenue.

Much how the international UN plan is more about distributing wealth among countries. (Ignoring the fact that most of the money will be wasted on dictators new jets or something... since most poor countries are run by corrupt governments.)



You can make a strong case that this is just as much a national defense and economic issue as it is an environmental issue. Our current energy policy is unsustainable and causes us major problems militarily, diplomatically, economically, and even morally.

Not to mention that this will spur growth in new technological research. The French are miles ahead of us, for instance, in their nuclear energy technological capacities.  The solar, wind, hydroelectric, and geothermal realms of energy technology also have a lot of room to grow.  Even the coal and oil industries aren't as efficient as they could be.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

The problems with nuclear:

Unprofitable (much higher costs associated with it)
Unsafe (we still don't have any way to safely store used rods)
Unavailable in the near future (if you started on a plant tomorrow, it might, might, come online in the 2020s).



Desroko said:
Unsafe (we still don't have any way to safely store used rods) 

 

Here is an interesting trivia question that shocks a lot of people.

Question: How many people in the US have ever been injured or killed by a nuclear power plant accident in the US?

Answer: Zero



akuma587 said:

You can make a strong case that this is just as much a national defense and economic issue as it is an environmental issue. Our current energy policy is unsustainable and causes us major problems militarily, diplomatically, economically, and even morally.

Not to mention that this will spur growth in new technological research. The French are miles ahead of us, for instance, in their nuclear energy technological capacities.  The solar, wind, hydroelectric, and geothermal realms of energy technology also have a lot of room to grow.  Even the coal and oil industries aren't as efficient as they could be.

I agree.  I also believe it should be made a national defense and economic issue.

Instead of the current "ZOMG  IF WE DON'T DO THIS YOUR HOUSE IS GOING TO BE FLOODED AND POLAR BEARS WILL MAUL YOUR CHILDREN!" attitude people have.

Things done the wrong way rub me the wrong way... even if they are the right things to do.

I'm not someone who cheers on TV shows when someone does something unethical to put away the guy they know is the killer.