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fmc83 on 25 May 2009

Interesting discussion going on here, as always. I reckon, that private fundings can just be a part of social care etc.

What about private fundings in a crisis? There should be more, but actually due to the crisis there is less. Which leads the whole more private fundings are better ad absurdum.

Some sources for my thesis:

1.
The Coalition for the Homeless also raises 60 percent of its funding from private sources, Patrick Markee told IPS.

"We're definitely worried for contributions to go down with the financial crisis. Particularly after public holidays we get a lot of private donations. Now with the economy getting worse, these private donations might go down," he said, adding that the coalition would be highly dependent on donations due to an increased need.

from
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44198

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Something from the New Economy Bubble (2002)

"The 400 charities on The Chronicle's list collectively raised $46.9 billion last year (2002), a drop of 1.2 percent in inflation-adjusted dollars. This compares to an average annual gain of 12 percent during the previous five years. The Chronicle attributes last year's decline to continuing economic uncertainty among donors and heightened competition for contributions among charities."

http://www.mcf.org/Mcf/whatsnew/archives/Oct2003/phil031028.htm

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This source is about the drop in college funds

"The data from the analysis showed the decline in the stock market in the ’70s paralleled a decrease in collegiate donations, while contributions increased with the stock market as the economy became more stable in the past 15-20 years, according to Kaplan."

http://badgerherald.com/news/2009/02/26/donations_to_univers.php



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txrattlesnake on 25 May 2009
Dodece said:
The reality is that the problem isn't that poor people are poor, or that rich people are rich. The real problem is how this comes about. Some say capitalism justifies this outcome, but to them I will also say capitalism has no morality clause. Within a true capitalist system any action that benefits you at the expense of another is totally justified. Up to and including, murder, raiding, pirating, and the enslavement of others.

The reality is that economics is more then facts and figures. Economics is nothing more then the very real exemplification of the human condition, and the psychology that underpins society. All economics are emotion. From the greed that leads the wealthy to hoard wealth for their own benefit at the expense of others. To the very real revolutions that arise when the meek revolt against unfair circumstance. The perception of fairness is all that matters. It may be what you can get away with at the time, but eventually and it may take years, decades, or centuries. You will pay back the dividend when your throat is slashed as you sleep.

The problem is the rich have gotten so through shiftless practices. Not as a by product of fair exchange. We know this because we know the top man at a company can bring home ten thousand times more then the guy at the bottom. Do we actually believe that the guy at the top worked ten thousand times harder, or is worth ten thousand guys at the bottom. No we know he is getting that money, because he has manipulated the situation to his utmost advantage at the cruel expense of others.

There is no equality in this exchange, and it is human nature hardwired into us to object to such an injustice. That is why throughout history we have bloody revolutions. That too is part of how capitalism functions. It must from time to time thoroughly fail so that it can be rebuilt stronger then it was before. Remove the entrenched so that real enterprise can be rewarded once again. Old money must be savaged to make room for new money, and so that the wealth can be set free once again.

For those saying this is all melodramatic. What do you think casting off colonial yokes has been all about through the centuries. What do you think the roots of a country like the United States really are. When political maneuvering is ineffective then the only meaningful recourse is violence. So for those crying about the unfairness of high taxation I say this. Just be thankful we try not to behave as we have in the past.

Then again if the wealthy had been more even handed all along they wouldn't have to be griping right now. We all grew up in the same world. We all know about sharing. Hell Chimpanzees rebuke unfair distribution. Once again it isn't the numbers it is the perception, and human beings get awfully misanthropic so do not expect any pity. Take the ebb and flow of social justice.

     Great post.  It is exactly how society works.  That is why a certain person can be the hardest worker at a fast food restaurant, for example, and after having been there over two years, the typical time to be raised up to a management position and pay level at such a place, one turns around and finds out that its the supervisor's kids that haven't been spending nearly as much time or effort at the business as the person being mentioned above are suddenly being placed into the restaurant's managers training program instead of the guy with a much better education, a demonstrably proven work ethic, and that has been killing themselves at their jobs so that their employers can win the highest awards the company offers.