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TheRealMafoo on 19 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:

      Yeah,they want a full investigation as long as no one investigates any of their higher ups, so their lackeys at places like Fox News keep talking about Pelosi all the time and aren't even mentioning that Bush knew about waterboarding.

     Republicans know what they are doing.  Bush had eight years to try to do something to aid the majority of the people in this country, and instead he just wanted to help himself and his families rich friends.

     It's time to move into a bold new America with equal opportunity for all even though the Republicans are trying to do everything they can to prevent people they see as their peasants from having the same opportunities that their wealthier consituents have.

 

 

You have no clue, really. The poor are about to get screwed a lot more over the next eight years, then they did in the last eight.



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TheRealMafoo on 19 May 2009

And the article is from CNN, not Fox News.



txrattlesnake on 19 May 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
txrattlesnake said:

      Yeah,they want a full investigation as long as no one investigates any of their higher ups, so their lackeys at places like Fox News keep talking about Pelosi all the time and aren't even mentioning that Bush knew about waterboarding.

     Republicans know what they are doing.  Bush had eight years to try to do something to aid the majority of the people in this country, and instead he just wanted to help himself and his families rich friends.

     It's time to move into a bold new America with equal opportunity for all even though the Republicans are trying to do everything they can to prevent people they see as their peasants from having the same opportunities that their wealthier consituents have.

 

 

You have no clue, really. The poor are about to get screwed a lot more over the next eight years, then they did in the last eight.

 

      If you're talking about companies raising rates on services to try to offset some of Obama's redistribution of wealth policies...yeah, I agree the average person should start to take a more active role in society.

     If Obama wants to redistribute the wealth and these companies say "Oh, no you're not because we're going to charge more."  Then at the very least, the people that are going to be charged more by the companies should also say, "Oh, no, you're not because we refuse to buy your goods and services.  How do you like those apples?"

 



txrattlesnake on 19 May 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
And the article is from CNN, not Fox News.

 

        They probably received some bail out money from the Republicans too.  I think a lot of the media got some money under the table from them.  Towards the election last year places like Saturday Night Live started promoting people like Mccain and Palin that they had been heavily lampooning last year.

      The only major tv news service I will watch is CBS.  Mainly because Katie's not bad and Lara Logan is hot.

 

     I just know my life didn't go as I expected in the Bush years and the lives of several other people probably didn't as well and that is how Obama got in the White House. 



akuma587 on 19 May 2009

Frankly, this is a waste of time for Republicans to focus on in the first place.

1) The average person knows that Congress sits inside their chambers and never gets directly involved in "executing the law."

2) The average person has no idea who Nancy Pelosi is.

The more the waterboarding story comes up, the more it hurts Republicans. There is a big difference between knowing about something during a time where the country was acting irrationally (to a large degree justified) and people were willing to support anything the President did and condemn his detractors and actually carrying out policy.

The Republicans would have criticized her even if SHE DID speak out about it. And its not like she was in a position of power to do anything. And hell, get on the CIA's bad side, and they might take you down like JFK.

I'm not saying she made the right decision, but I honestly don't think she had another one considering how freaked out the country was after 9/11.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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txrattlesnake on 19 May 2009
akuma587 said:

Frankly, this is a waste of time for Republicans to focus on in the first place.

1) The average person knows that Congress sits inside their chambers and never gets directly involved in "executing the law."

2) The average person has no idea who Nancy Pelosi is.

The more the waterboarding story comes up, the more it hurts Republicans. There is a big difference between knowing about something during a time where the country was acting irrationally (to a large degree justified) and people were willing to support anything the President did and condemn his detractors and actually carrying out policy.

The Republicans would have criticized her even if SHE DID speak out about it. And its not like she was in a position of power to do anything. And hell, get on the CIA's bad side, and they might take you down like JFK.

I'm not saying she made the right decision, but I honestly don't think she had another one considering how freaked out the country was after 9/11.

 

 exactly



HappySqurriel on 19 May 2009

Realistically, Nancy Pelosi has put herself into an impossible position because either:

  1. The CIA mislead her, which is an impossible accusation to prove and any attempt to do so will (likely) result in her looking paranoid; and she would also make a lot of powerful enemies in the process.
  2. Nancy Pelosi is incompetent being that she was given briefings and was unwilling to pay attention or unable to understand them.
  3. Nancy Pelosi is lying.

 



akuma587 on 19 May 2009

As I said before, one of the Republicans biggest problem pushing this story is the, "Who the fuck is Nancy Pelosi?" effect.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

txrattlesnake on 19 May 2009
HappySqurriel said:

Realistically, Nancy Pelosi has put herself into an impossible position because either:

  1. The CIA mislead her, which is an impossible accusation to prove and any attempt to do so will (likely) result in her looking paranoid; and she would also make a lot of powerful enemies in the process.
  2. Nancy Pelosi is incompetent being that she was given briefings and was unwilling to pay attention or unable to understand them.
  3. Nancy Pelosi is lying.

 

 

      Why doesn't she just say the Republicans ordered her not to talk about it because of the negative PR it would bring them especiallly with George W.'s reelection campaign not being that far off and that there was a cabal of secrecy during the Bush years, so she just made the best decision that was right for her party at the time and that proved to be the best decision later on when Barak was elected? 



akuma587 on 19 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
HappySqurriel said:

Realistically, Nancy Pelosi has put herself into an impossible position because either:

  1. The CIA mislead her, which is an impossible accusation to prove and any attempt to do so will (likely) result in her looking paranoid; and she would also make a lot of powerful enemies in the process.
  2. Nancy Pelosi is incompetent being that she was given briefings and was unwilling to pay attention or unable to understand them.
  3. Nancy Pelosi is lying.

 

 

      Why doesn't she just say the Republicans ordered her not to talk about it because of the negative PR it would bring them especiallly with George W.'s reelection campaign not being that far off and that there was a cabal of secrecy during the Bush years, so she just made the best decision that was right for her party at the time and that proved to be the best decision later on when Barak was elected? 

Pretty much.  I agree she is stupid for not pleading this kind of defense.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson