lol hvd in the near future, you really think theres many willing to push a new format so soon ?  Like with all products, companys want to milk them as long as possible.  No one wants to try to push a new format so soon, it be to costly for them and would piss of consumers by tellig them they need to once agian buy new hardware.

At one time all of Sony was dead weight for SCE, things change but the corp as a whole continues.  

yeah blu ray gots the support, if they want they can shove it up your throat.

same would have happen if HD DVD win its a better format win. i can make full images of my HDD now =D

The recession isn't over yet.  It won't be over in 2010.  By 2012 no one will even hope for the end becase they will hav by then faced reality. The recession will continue for about a decade or so, if we're lucky, and consumer spending will continue to go down as unemployment continues to go up.  In the face of such a horrible economic climate no one will want to release new products until it's absolutely necessary.  For the video game market it is not necessary to release a new wave of products for at least 2-3 years.  Sony continues to support old products after the new product is out.  If there's no need for a PS4 before 2012, there's no way in hell it will lose retail support by then.  In fact, you're ****ing crazy (or is it crazzy?) to make such a suggestion.  Good luck with your new jacket.

I find it very difficult to believe this is a real post....he's joking right? The 360 is far from a failure and perhaps with the last xbox shareholders were worried but not so with the 360. Do you realize just how much cash they make off of xbox Live alone? As to your prediction that the only way to not come in last this gen is a 99 dollar arcade I have a simple question to ask you.

If they are so doomed to last place then why is it outselling the playstation every week? Go ahead and use the whole price exscuse all you want but I'm getting tired of hearing that.  Sony set the price that way so if thats the answer its not that MS is lucky.  Sony shot themselves in the foot and shouldn't have been so arrogant.  Its their own fault they're in last.

@twingo

I think you misread, the dead weight is the PS3, not SCE itself, I think internally, they've already realized that it's a failure, and so far they have no real way to recover but they have to at least try to keep their share holders by doing lousy PRs and make first party exclusives that don't sell nearly as well as a lot of the 3rd party software or Nintendo first party software. PS3 is not a technical marvel, it's a shortsight, Sony fucked up on this one and they are suffering hard, it doesn't even matter if BR is doing well or not tbh, the company as a whole is loosing a ton of money where even when Nintendo was loosing on numbers, they made real profit each year.

Luckily, they are not Sega, they have other assets to fall back on before they dry up so they really need to figure something out fast.

What he's getting at is that from the beginning, this thread has done little more than state the obvious in an apparent attempt to bash the PS3, and even then, it's extremely flawed.

As I've already stated, by 2012, all three console manufacturers will have released their next console. When that happens, both the PS3 and 360 are gone because they don't have very broad appeal, and most of the gamers to whom they do appeal(the core and the hardcore) and going to jump to the next-gen consoles. Only the console with universal appeal, the Wii, is guaranteed to still be around at that point.

Even if you argue that the PS3 will vanish first, then the 360 won't be that far behind, because the combined userbase is what's keeping the two consoles alive. If one is missing, then the other one will die, even in N. America.

Easy: they can put out a cheap model with a smallish solid state drive. Even with HDD increasing in size and never falling under a certain cost, solid state will always be available for smaller and cheaper solutions.

Teh 10 year plan!

 You're talking about the Inca calander... the Inca had Time wrong...

^It's Mayan, actually...