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Shaken. Stirred is for losers.



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Seriously?
You bother with a martini shaker? I've never seen anyone use one outside of a bar.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

You're 17, why do you care? Go drink your Coors Light.



It depends, really.  According to Alton Brown, from Good Eats episode #EA0917 "Raising the Bar":

"Now I know that Mr. Bond asked for his drink to be shaken. But you know, when it comes to clear ingredients that are going to be served straight up and that mix easily, I'd rather stir. If there was foggy or murky ingredients, I'd probably give them a shake. Or if there were ingredients that were hard to mix together, I would definitely shake them. But there's another reason I want to stir instead of shaking here. Shaking chills a drink far, far colder than stirring, and gin is an aromatic and it really starts to lose some of its aromatic qualities once it drops below 30. So I think that this is definitely the way to go."

Therefore: Gin martini--stirred, not shaken.



Alasted said:

It depends, really.  According to Alton Brown, from Good Eats episode #EA0917 "Raising the Bar":

"Now I know that Mr. Bond asked for his drink to be shaken. But you know, when it comes to clear ingredients that are going to be served straight up and that mix easily, I'd rather stir. If there was foggy or murky ingredients, I'd probably give them a shake. Or if there were ingredients that were hard to mix together, I would definitely shake them. But there's another reason I want to stir instead of shaking here. Shaking chills a drink far, far colder than stirring, and gin is an aromatic and it really starts to lose some of its aromatic qualities once it drops below 30. So I think that this is definitely the way to go."

Therefore: Gin martini--stirred, not shaken.

 

 Bond drinks Vodka martinis.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

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Tyrannical said:
Alasted said:

It depends, really.  According to Alton Brown, from Good Eats episode #EA0917 "Raising the Bar":

"Now I know that Mr. Bond asked for his drink to be shaken. But you know, when it comes to clear ingredients that are going to be served straight up and that mix easily, I'd rather stir. If there was foggy or murky ingredients, I'd probably give them a shake. Or if there were ingredients that were hard to mix together, I would definitely shake them. But there's another reason I want to stir instead of shaking here. Shaking chills a drink far, far colder than stirring, and gin is an aromatic and it really starts to lose some of its aromatic qualities once it drops below 30. So I think that this is definitely the way to go."

Therefore: Gin martini--stirred, not shaken.

 

 Bond drinks Vodka martinis.

Very true.  This is also addressed in the aforementioned episode of Good Eats:

"Now I know that Mr. Bond there requested vodka, but I really do believe that a real martini is always built upon gin. Now for you vodka lovers out there that say that you don't like gin, consider this: gin is vodka with herbs and juniper added. They're made from the same grains, at least most of the time, and via the same processes. So give the real stuff a try."



Alasted said:

Very true.  This is also addressed in the aforementioned episode of Good Eats:

"Now I know that Mr. Bond there requested vodka, but I really do believe that a real martini is always built upon gin. Now for you vodka lovers out there that say that you don't like gin, consider this: gin is vodka with herbs and juniper added. They're made from the same grains, at least most of the time, and via the same processes. So give the real stuff a try."

 

 Cold is key with a vodka martini. You don't need a gin martini as cold.

Lot's of people keep vodka in the freezer for this reason. Not so much for other liquors.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
Alasted said:

Very true.  This is also addressed in the aforementioned episode of Good Eats:

"Now I know that Mr. Bond there requested vodka, but I really do believe that a real martini is always built upon gin. Now for you vodka lovers out there that say that you don't like gin, consider this: gin is vodka with herbs and juniper added. They're made from the same grains, at least most of the time, and via the same processes. So give the real stuff a try."

 

 Cold is key with a vodka martini. You don't need a gin martini as cold.

Lot's of people keep vodka in the freezer for this reason. Not so much for other liquors.

Good point.  Would storing the vodka in the freezer negate the need to shake?

Yet another argument against shaking is that doing so would chip the ice and dilute the cocktail.  There was an amusing line from the West Wing about this: "James [Bond] is ordering a weak martini and being snooty about it."

I guess martini drinkers of the world will never be united on this issue.  (Just for the record, I don't even drink anymore. )

EDIT:  Another 'just for the record': I don't even like The West Wing; I just think that line is rather cute.



Aslong as the Vodka's good I don't really mind.



FaRmLaNd said:
Aslong as the Vodka's good I don't really mind.

This.