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Oh another advantage to being an Atheist is you won't end up wasting your money at Bob Jones university.

Oh and another fun one is that Athiests are more likely to get graduate degrees.

Which is oddly counterpointed by the fact that more people with graduate degrees go to church weekly then any other group of individuals.

 



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pearljammer said:

You'd think that after reading this post, most would have dropped the charity statistics and chest beating.

That was my intention, albeit optimistic.
Rather, it got ignored, but you get used to it 'round here.

To change gears, that posted video was absolutely hysterical. Thanks for sharing.



@ Kasz216

why do you refuse to believe Atheists are as nice as religous people?

your posts seem to insinuate that Atheists are somehow inferior to religous people?



mrstickball said:
The_vagabond7 said:
mrstickball said:
SciFi -

Do you realize that the average atheist (and I'm talking the average of the millions that are self-declared atheist) give much less of their time to volunteerism and charitable giving? Just because you do it does not mean your the norm.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that you volunteer, because it's an awesome thing. But you must understand that what you do is well outside the norm of your religion.

Do not make me go get my stick.

Atheism is a religion. It still follows the definition of a theistic religion, although being opposed to theism.

Here's M-W.com's definition of religion:

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

What is being religious?

relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

If you are a practicing atheist, your still holding onto a pattern of beliefs, having faith in something (science), and given to it's cause (arguing there is no god). If you look at the word religion, it's a dedication to a pattern of something. Although we perscribe it to a belief in God, that is not the prerequisite for the word.

The opposite of religion wouldn't be someone that is godless, but one that lacks a system of belief (regardless of what that system is), and puts their trust in nothing.

There are so many things wrong with that.

By your definition any lack of belief results in religion. I am an anti-santa-ist. I act daily in accordance with the belief that the number of presents I get on christmas is directly correlated to my good to bad deed ratio. That is not a religion.

There is no "dedication to a pattern of something" with atheism. Science is not a faith, it is the opposite of faith. I do not put "faith" in science to do anything, or save anyone, and I don't inherently believe it without evidence which is the opposite of faith.

The goal of science is not to argue there is no god, science could care less about god. In peer reviewed journals they are not talking about how such and such disproves the existence of god. God has nothing to do with science. My goal as a person has nothing to do with proving or disproving a god. I do not evangelize door to door about the lack of god.


Buddhism is an atheistic faith. There is no god in Buddhism. But not believing in a god doesn't make me buddhist. I would have to ascribe to certain rituals, traditions, and specific philosophies to call myself a "buddist". This is a dogma. Not believing in god doesn't have any dogma. If you take me and 10 other atheists in a topic there are not going to be any more ties in our beliefs than if you took 10 people that don't believe in santa, or ten people that don't believe in unicorns or and put them in a topic. There is no common string that binds atheists other than a lack of belief in something.

 

Nothing you said in that post makes sense.

 



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Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
My impression of Kasz216

Anybody: "Hey, I saw this PBS special on the historical jesus...."

Kasz216: "ATHEISTS ARE LESS CHARITABLE!! I have a chart."

No offense man, I think you're one of the more intelligent people around here, but you like to work that into pretty much any religious conversation. I mean this topic was kind of a stretch.
"I don't understand why anyone would be an atheist."
"They don't donate to charity, that's why!!!"

I mean seriously? Do I look up unflattering statistics about religious people and post them in any topic that has "god" in the first post? At some point you just gotta admit it's in bad taste.

You don't think that not being tied to some third party moral belief code isn't an advantage?

That isn't exactly what you said there.

"On average atheists make more money and donate a smaller percentage of their earnings to charity. So there is quite the financial gain."

I mean that's like if I somebody said "why would somebody believe in god?" and I replied "Because statistically it's more likely you'll use violence to enforce your political views, which is alot easier than through discussion."

I don't have a pie chart for that, nor have I read any studies. But if I brought that into every topic, it would be in poor taste and show that I have a certain disdain or at the very least, lack of respect for a group of people.

Well first off.  They are two different statements.

1) Atheists make more money.

2) Atheists donate less money to charity.

Which are two financial gains to being an atheist... due to not being tied in to a third party norm system.

Also... both statements are based on studies.

My problem with your statement isn't it's innaccuracy. I could go into a bunch of topics and say how studies show there are more black men in jail than in college, but at some point people are going to raise their eye brows and wonder if I'm part of the KKK. It's not that the statement can't be proven, it's that if you feel a need to work that into any conversation where it is remotely applicaple then that's going to say something about you.



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SciFiBoy said:
@ Kasz216

why do you refuse to believe Atheists are as nice as religous people?

your posts seem to insinuate that Atheists are somehow inferior to religous people?

I'm guessing you missed the post where i specifically stated that wasn't what i was saying.

Atheists and Religious people are the same.

The difference is religious people feel forced to give.


Your thinking of it from your perspective.  Someone who cares about other people.  You and you who believe in god probably would give roughly the same amount of money.

Look at it from another persepective.  From people who don't really care.... and care more about themselves and there family and the continuation of their family for generations.

If they believe in a religion....  They're more likely to feel like they need to do something for the poor to "bank" points with god.  If they don't believe in a religon.  There is no reason for them to give money to charity.

 

 



I'd just like to point out that Bill Gates is an atheist, and he's giving more to charity than the entire universe. So there goes your "average atheist donations statistic" everybody.

And atheism is not a religion. There is no prayer, no salvation, no community, no afterlife, no churches, nothing. I believe in nothing and I have faith in nothing, not even science. At any given point in history, most of science was wrong and it's always improving. So I accept current science, but realize it's not the truth and can be improved, and I'm fine with that. I wouldn't call that faith in science. Science has given me many good things, so it has earned my trust. Faith has not done this for me. Like Mr. Gervais, I choose to be nice because I feel I don't have time not to. I don't get to be a jerk and then repent later. I live with my own actions, choices, and responsibilities, and I don't believe that any amount of prayer will make up for any bad things I've done. So I like to be nice. Most people do, no matter what they may or may not believe in.

No offense to religious folks. I don't care what anybody believes in. If religion makes you a better person, more power to you. If religion makes you feel superior than others, "you're doing it wrong."


@OT, interesting way he learned about it. I hadn't heard of anybody finding out like that before. That's kinda funny. Music and editing were absolutely horrible though.



The_vagabond7 said:
Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
My impression of Kasz216

Anybody: "Hey, I saw this PBS special on the historical jesus...."

Kasz216: "ATHEISTS ARE LESS CHARITABLE!! I have a chart."

No offense man, I think you're one of the more intelligent people around here, but you like to work that into pretty much any religious conversation. I mean this topic was kind of a stretch.
"I don't understand why anyone would be an atheist."
"They don't donate to charity, that's why!!!"

I mean seriously? Do I look up unflattering statistics about religious people and post them in any topic that has "god" in the first post? At some point you just gotta admit it's in bad taste.

You don't think that not being tied to some third party moral belief code isn't an advantage?

That isn't exactly what you said there.

"On average atheists make more money and donate a smaller percentage of their earnings to charity. So there is quite the financial gain."

I mean that's like if I somebody said "why would somebody believe in god?" and I replied "Because statistically it's more likely you'll use violence to enforce your political views, which is alot easier than through discussion."

I don't have a pie chart for that, nor have I read any studies. But if I brought that into every topic, it would be in poor taste and show that I have a certain disdain or at the very least, lack of respect for a group of people.

Well first off.  They are two different statements.

1) Atheists make more money.

2) Atheists donate less money to charity.

Which are two financial gains to being an atheist... due to not being tied in to a third party norm system.

Also... both statements are based on studies.

My problem with your statement isn't it's innaccuracy. I could go into a bunch of topics and say how studies show there are more black men in jail than in college, but at some point people are going to raise their eye brows and wonder if I'm part of the KKK. It's not that the statement can't be proven, it's that if you feel a need to work that into any conversation where it is remotely applicaple then that's going to say something about you.

It wasn't "remotely" applicable.  It was very applicable.

Someone claimed there were no advantages to being an atheist and I came up with 4 advantages.  Up to like 6 now.

 



The Ghost of RubangB said:
I'd just like to point out that Bill Gates is an atheist, and he's giving more to charity than the entire universe. So there goes your "average atheist donations statistic" everybody.

Except he's also made more money then anyone else.  The ratio is derived from a percentage of income/wealth.  It also uses a median.

Using a direct number would be like using a taxation system where everyone in a country owed the government fifty bucks.

Also considering your someone for progressive taxation... why would you use regressive charity as an arguement.



I never said science was a faith. But that is what the atheist puts their faith in.

You can create a religion of virtually anything. For example, I live near Ohio State University. For some people, Ohio State football (go Bucks!) is a religion for some people. It has it's own rules, code of conduct, ceremonies, leaders, and all kinds of stuff.

May I ask you this: Is Buddhism a religion? What separates it's dogma between it and atheism? Both are still set patterns of belief, both putting faith in specific things.

If you had 10 atheists in a room, and I asked them if they believed in evolution, what would they say? Would all 10 have a totally different opinion if evolution was indeed true? Each atheist may be loosely affiliated, but there are still quite a few bonds between each other.



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