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GamingChartzFTW said:

Onus Probandi.

It's called Burden of proof.

Not believing in God carries no burden. Saying there is a God does.

This is not directed at you, but it's directed at all the people who say there is a God.

 

 

Not believing does carry a burdon also though, because completely disproving an omnicient god is impossible. Not only so, but you first have to define what that god is first.



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SaviorX said:
GamingChartzFTW said:
SaviorX said:

There is a specific word for it, but it is like if I said, "If God really exists, Madworld will sell 9 million copies right now...OH wait...it didn't!" It is pretty much blasphemy.

 

I could tell you a few stories that prove why I have faith, but that isn't really necessary.

 

 

Challenge yourself!

Do tell us, because we are interested.

 

There have been many times where my family members have been in immediate danger, but yet are still here. One time I barely had money, but I gave $2 bucks away anyways, bringing me down to a few cents. The very same day I was walking home and I found $20, ten times what I gave away. I read in the Bible things increasing by folds, so I went with that. 
Wow!! D:

 

Plus, not to sound like some jerk, I think I'm a really good person morally. Most of the people here on the boards are really good persons morally. God is pretty much THE "role model" he supposedly killed and caused mass murder etc. Jesus is supposed to be your role model, not God.  to follow so I try my best to be good. I don't judge people because only God really can. Everyone can judge other people. I have hope in my future because I always have somebody looking out for me. All of us good people here on earth are constantly looking out and caring for eachother. It's called society.

 

I do question some aspects of religion; I don't agree with everything, but I take bits and pieces of what sounds correct and build my character off that. With atheism, there's no incentive, no need to love. BS! Worst insult I've heard in my life. We are nice because we care about the lifes we live here on this planet, not because we expect eternal life as a "reward from God". But since I'm not an atheist, I don't truly understand how atheism is really like morally.

 

Someone here can explain that to me........

 

 

@ your "But since I'm not an atheist, I don't truly understand how atheism is really like morally."

Atheism has no morals, nor does religion. Morals derives from the need for human cooperation and organization in order to survive.

 



Strategyking92 said:
GamingChartzFTW said:

Onus Probandi.

It's called Burden of proof.

Not believing in God carries no burden. Saying there is a God does.

This is not directed at you, but it's directed at all the people who say there is a God.

 

 

Not believing does carry a burdon also though, because completely disproving an omnicient god is impossible. Not only so, but you first have to define what that god is first.

necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

The burden of proof is on he who complains.

I would argue that the neutral status is agnosticism, the burden of proof is on those trying to prove either strong atheism (the absence of god(s)) or those trying to prove the existence of god(s).

 

Also you should note that to not believe in something is not the same as to believe that it is not.

 

Edit: @Saviour. Atheists morals are generally based on societies morals at the time. Just because they are not written down does not mean they do not exist. Also believe it or not but people don't need the threat/promise of afterlife to control them into leading a good life, most people will do it naturally.

But yeah, atheists are basically the same as most people morally, perhaps more progressive in their morals as they aren't written down in an ancient book. Thats probably why atheists are generally more ok with homosexuality, contraception, abortion and the suchlike.




"necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit"

Agreed. It's an integreal part of burden of proof.

 



Rath said:
Strategyking92 said:
GamingChartzFTW said:

Onus Probandi.

It's called Burden of proof.

Not believing in God carries no burden. Saying there is a God does.

This is not directed at you, but it's directed at all the people who say there is a God.

 

 

Not believing does carry a burdon also though, because completely disproving an omnicient god is impossible. Not only so, but you first have to define what that god is first.

necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

The burden of proof is on he who complains.

I would argue that the neutral status is agnosticism, the burden of proof is on those trying to prove either strong atheism (the absence of god(s)) or those trying to prove the existence of god(s).

 

Also you should note that to not believe in something is not the same as to believe that it is not.

 

Edit: @Saviour. Atheists morals are generally based on societies morals at the time. Just because they are not written down does not mean they do not exist. Also believe it or not but people don't need the threat/promise of afterlife to control them into leading a good life, most people will do it naturally.

But yeah, atheists are basically the same as most people morally, perhaps more progressive in their morals as they aren't written down in an ancient book. Thats probably why atheists are generally more ok with homosexuality, contraception, abortion and the suchlike.

Depending on the situation anyway.

To some religion actually does tend to frighten them into being better then they shoudl be.

Of course the real question is... is this a good thing?

Sociologically it appears that things that are changed via an effort to change peoples opinions lasts longer and works better then law based attempts at changing peoples opinions.  (both physical and heavenly.)

 



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Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Strategyking92 said:
GamingChartzFTW said:

Onus Probandi.

It's called Burden of proof.

Not believing in God carries no burden. Saying there is a God does.

This is not directed at you, but it's directed at all the people who say there is a God.

 

 

Not believing does carry a burdon also though, because completely disproving an omnicient god is impossible. Not only so, but you first have to define what that god is first.

necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

The burden of proof is on he who complains.

I would argue that the neutral status is agnosticism, the burden of proof is on those trying to prove either strong atheism (the absence of god(s)) or those trying to prove the existence of god(s).

 

Also you should note that to not believe in something is not the same as to believe that it is not.

 

Edit: @Saviour. Atheists morals are generally based on societies morals at the time. Just because they are not written down does not mean they do not exist. Also believe it or not but people don't need the threat/promise of afterlife to control them into leading a good life, most people will do it naturally.

But yeah, atheists are basically the same as most people morally, perhaps more progressive in their morals as they aren't written down in an ancient book. Thats probably why atheists are generally more ok with homosexuality, contraception, abortion and the suchlike.

Depending on the situation anyway. It is a constant factor in society. The sentence you provided is a rhetorical fallacy. What Rath said is the very essence of what we are discussing.

To some religion actually does tend to frighten them into being better then they shoudl be.

Of course the real question is... is this a good thing?

Sociologically it appears that things that are changed via an effort to change peoples opinions lasts longer and works better then law based attempts at changing peoples opinions.  (both physical and heavenly.)

 

 

 



Abortion is one thing I can't condone.

^^^GamingChartzFTW

I acknowledged I don't know how atheism works, I only know what I see. As for judging people, we don't have a right to do that either. Who knows what their lives are like when they aren't in our presence. That same judgment is REALLY close to prejudice.

I can just judge someone immediately without knowing anything about them? Not cool bro.

I don't know; atheism just seems like if something isn't going your way, you can disregard it. There isn't any explanation for things. You can be whatever you want, because once again, I cannot judge you, but I know what I was raised with, and that is a God.



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@Saviour. So you're saying that you cannot say that Hitler was a bad person? Or that Jesus was a good person? Afterall, both of those are judgements.

As for atheists not having explanations for things, a lot of us look long and hard for explanations. Usually explanations can be found through things like logic and the scientific method.



SaviorX said:
Abortion is one thing I can't condone.

^^^GamingChartzFTW Don't point my username at the above sentence. :/

I acknowledged I don't know how atheism works, Atheism does not work in any specific way. Atheism works for nothing and no one. Read my post again. I only know what I see. As for judging people, we don't have a right to do that either. Who knows what their lives are like when they aren't in our presence. That same judgment is REALLY close to prejudice.

I can just judge someone immediately without knowing anything about them? Not cool bro.

I don't know; atheism just seems like if something isn't going your way, you can disregard it. There isn't any explanation for things. You can be whatever you want, because once again, I cannot judge you, but I know what I was raised with, and that is a God. You are a splendid individual. How you were raised should not interfere with new independent thought. Always keep that in mind. No offence.

Do not shy away from all the excellent points I pointed out in response to your request "But since I'm not an atheist, I don't truly understand how atheism is really like morally. Someone here can explain that to me........"

Also. Every individual can judge others and is supposed to judge others. Both the people we know (based on what we know about them) and people we don't know (based on what they have done and according to the laws in our society).

We should never accept the religious dogma that one is not supposed to judge others. Keep in mind that so called 'prophets', priests and clergy came up with such rules in order to assert influence. Judging others is and will always remain a quintessential part of what it is to be an individual in society (consequence of actions).

 



Rath said:
@Saviour. So you're saying that you cannot say that Hitler was a bad person? Or that Jesus was a good person? Afterall, both of those are judgements.

As for atheists not having explanations for things, a lot of us look long and hard for explanations. Usually explanations can be found through things like logic and the scientific method.

 

By judgments, I mean people I meet in my own life. Hitler was one of the worst people in history,there is absolutely NO dispute about that. That is why I hope there is a God, because if there is, Hitler has a place to go to account for his atrocities, instead of dying like a coward and taking his own life, avoiding punishment.



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