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toastboy44562 said:
just out of curiosity, waz so great about linux

Various distros work extremely well in a server environments and there are a lot of great open source programs to support this use.  At the same time it's free which means corporations can use it on a wide scale without harsh licensing fees and individuals can play with it all they want.

It used to be just a nerd thing, but the major players in the linux world (SuSE, Redhat, 'buntu boys, etc) are taking great strides to make the distros more user-friendly and hopefully get to the point where they can compete on the same level as Microsoft Windows.  They're not there yet, but they're improving and it's pretty amazing to see just how far they've come.

Beware linux zealots though.  They're even more rabid than mac zealots.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:

PC. With mac you overpay for brand name and nothing else. With PC you can create a machine at the price that is right for you. It also is vastly more popular, and thus, more compatible.

 

You know anybody that builds Mac gaming rigs? Why else own a computer, honestly, lol?

I know you're just joking here, but some of us actually use computers to make a living :)



Words Of Wisdom said:
toastboy44562 said:
just out of curiosity, waz so great about linux

Various distros work extremely well in a server environments and there are a lot of great open source programs to support this use.  At the same time it's free which means corporations can use it on a wide scale without harsh licensing fees and individuals can play with it all they want.

It used to be just a nerd thing, but the major players in the linux world (SuSE, Redhat, 'buntu boys, etc) are taking great strides to make the distros more user-friendly and hopefully get to the point where they can compete on the same level as Microsoft Windows.  They're not there yet, but they're improving and it's pretty amazing to see just how far they've come.

Beware linux zealots though.  They're even more rabid than mac zealots.

 

Actually, from what I've seen of Vista and Seven, it's Windows that tries to compete with linux.
My ubuntu is much much more polished, usable, and useful than Vista. I won't comment on Seven, because it's not even really out.
But when Seven will be out, Linux distros will have improved so much that it will look already deprecated.

 

I've been a linux user for 10 years now, I'd say it's been 2 years now that I found linux as a desktop more usable and polished than Windows.
I've always considered OSX to be better on this. But lately, I think they are on par.

Anyway, I'm a nerd, I need control over my system, and that's what Linux allows me, and that's why I choose it over any other option.
But 99% of the time, I'm an average user, browsing the web and IM while watching movies or listening to music, triaging photos. And for these simple things, Linux is now just much better, more consistent, easier.



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Mac - Audio/video/graphics development or uni/college students who use Word & Facebook and want to look cool doing it
Linux - Geeks and some servers (web or virtualisation)
Windows - Gaming, Enterprise (Exchange/SQL/etc), everything else not covered by the above


The whole "Macs just work" thing is an absolute lie, I crashed a Mac yesterday just going into the Network settings of a Powermac running Final Cut Pro at the same time. Search any user forums for audio development and you will find people cursing Apple daily. Best example I can remember was a glitch in Core Audio's native Firewire driver that caused random offset latency for years and it took a partnership with Apogee that had the same problem for them to fix it and It still took over 12 months to address. Last I checked it still wasn't perfect, but managable.



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They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience

toastboy44562 said:
just out of curiosity, waz so great about linux

Free.

Runs well on old hardware.

Many distros now very easy to use.

Plenty of free software.

Hardly any viruses/malware.

So my mother-in-law can more safely browse where I don't need to be constantly cleaning up her machine like I would need to on Windows.  Where she dosen't need to worry that some trojan is on the box with a keylogger stealing here online banking info, etc.  Yet its easy for her to use.  And it was cheap to build the PC for her because Linux runs well on not so powerful hardware.  Its not good for gaming, but great for a general internet user these days if you use the right distro.



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My favourite article on Macs v PCs-


I hate Macs

Unless you have been walking around with your eyes closed, and your head encased in a block of concrete, with a blindfold tied round it, in the dark - unless you have been doing that, you surely can't have failed to notice the current Apple Macintosh campaign starring David Mitchell and Robert Webb, which has taken over magazines, newspapers and the internet in a series of brutal coordinated attacks aimed at causing massive loss of resistance. While I don't have anything against shameless promotion per se (after all, within these very brackets I'm promoting my own BBC4 show, which starts tonight at 10pm), there is something infuriating about this particular blitz. In the ads, Webb plays a Mac while Mitchell adopts the mantle of a PC. We know this because they say so right at the start of the ad.

"Hello, I'm a Mac," says Webb.

"And I'm a PC," adds Mitchell.

They then perform a small comic vignette aimed at highlighting the differences between the two computers. So in one, the PC has a "nasty virus" that makes him sneeze like a plague victim; in another, he keeps freezing up and having to reboot. This is a subtle way of saying PCs are unreliable. Mitchell, incidentally, is wearing a nerdy, conservative suit throughout, while Webb is dressed in laid-back contemporary casual wear. This is a subtle way of saying Macs are cool.

The ads are adapted from a near-identical American campaign - the only difference is the use of Mitchell and Webb. They are a logical choice in one sense (everyone likes them), but a curious choice in another, since they are best known for the television series Peep Show - probably the best sitcom of the past five years - in which Mitchell plays a repressed, neurotic underdog, and Webb plays a selfish, self-regarding poseur. So when you see the ads, you think, "PCs are a bit rubbish yet ultimately lovable, whereas Macs are just smug, preening tossers." In other words, it is a devastatingly accurate campaign.

I hate Macs. I have always hated Macs. I hate people who use Macs. I even hate people who don't use Macs but sometimes wish they did. Macs are glorified Fisher-Price activity centres for adults; computers for scaredy cats too nervous to learn how proper computers work; computers for people who earnestly believe in feng shui.

PCs are the ramshackle computers of the people. You can build your own from scratch, then customise it into oblivion. Sometimes you have to slap it to make it work properly, just like the Tardis (Doctor Who, incidentally, would definitely use a PC). PCs have charm; Macs ooze pretension. When I sit down to use a Mac, the first thing I think is, "I hate Macs", and then I think, "Why has this rubbish aspirational ornament only got one mouse button?" Losing that second mouse button feels like losing a limb. If the ads were really honest, Webb would be standing there with one arm, struggling to open a packet of peanuts while Mitchell effortlessly tore his apart with both hands. But then, if the ads were really honest, Webb would be dressed in unbelievably po-faced avant-garde clothing with a gigantic glowing apple on his back. And instead of conducting a proper conversation, he would be repeatedly congratulating himself for looking so cool, and banging on about how he was going to use his new laptop to write a novel, without ever getting round to doing it, like a mediocre idiot.

Cue 10 years of nasal bleating from Mac-likers who profess to like Macs not because they are fashionable, but because "they are just better". Mac owners often sneer that kind of defence back at you when you mock their silly, posturing contraptions, because in doing so, you have inadvertently put your finger on the dark fear haunting their feeble, quivering soul - that in some sense, they are a superficial semi-person assembled from packaging; an infinitely sad, second-rate replicant who doesn't really know what they are doing here, but feels vaguely significant and creative each time they gaze at their sleek designer machine. And the more deftly constructed and wittily argued their defence, the more terrified and wounded they secretly are.

Aside from crowing about sartorial differences, the adverts also make a big deal about PCs being associated with "work stuff" (Boo! Offices! Boo!), as opposed to Macs, which are apparently better at "fun stuff". How insecure is that? And how inaccurate? Better at "fun stuff", my arse. The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye. For proof, stroll into any decent games shop and cast your eye over the exhaustive range of cutting-edge computer games available exclusively for the PC, then compare that with the sort of rubbish you get on the Mac. Myst, the most pompous and boring videogame of all time, a plodding, dismal "adventure" in which you wandered around solving tedious puzzles in a rubbish magic kingdom apparently modelled on pretentious album covers, originated on the Mac in 1993. That same year, the first shoot-'em-up game, Doom, was released on the PC. This tells you all you will ever need to know about the Mac's relationship with "fun".

Ultimately the campaign's biggest flaw is that it perpetuates the notion that consumers somehow "define themselves" with the technology they choose. If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. Of course, that hasn't stopped me slagging off Mac owners, with a series of sweeping generalisations, for the past 900 words, but that is what the ads do to PCs. Besides, that's what we PC owners are like - unreliable, idiosyncratic and gleefully unfair. And if you'll excuse me now, I feel an unexpected crash coming.

This week: Charlie watched some episodes of Larry Sanders (on his PC). He played the customised Fawlty Towers map for Counterstrike (on his PC). He listened to the Windows startup jingle every 10 minutes as his PC repeatedly rebooted itself.



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