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Kasz216 on 28 April 2009
sethnintendo said:

The fact that the NFL2k series was always better than Madden (not as big of difference as NBA2k vs NBA Live (Live is complete shit in my opinion)). Also, I have an EA boycott due to them not releasing another General Chaos.

On Topic: I loved Tecmo Super Bowl. I still have found memories of my cousin choosing probably the worse team on that game (Cleveland Browns) and running all over of my ass (I would even pick the Bear which were badass in that game with Payton and Singletary) with his up and down tackle dodging tactics (usually any one else that tried this I could always tackle but for some reason he dodge better). I was pretty damn good at the game but he was far superior. He would scream Mack attack!! when he would hand it off to the Cleveland RB Kevin Mack (must have been the scare tactics that allowed him to run all over me).

The Colts are actually the worst.   Browns are third worst.

The Browns Running backs aren't bad.

The colts though... or espiecally the patriots.  Because they have like 0 offense.

 

 



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Tyrannical on 29 April 2009

Techmo is a good football game for people who aren't huge fans. It was very easy to play, that is what made it so great.



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Rpruett on 29 April 2009
Onyxmeth said:
Rpruett said:
Onyxmeth said:

Can somebody explain to me exactly what is wrong with Madden? I don't get it. What about the game is so god awful to explain the backlash it receives on internet forums?

I think it's partially the minimal improvements made on a year to year.  (Which most people could tolerate).   Then it is also the complete removal of features that were in previous generations of the games.  (For example,  Franchise mode in 2009 finally ALMOST got as in-depth as the Franchise mode for Madden 2007 for the PS2 was).  Then it is the consistent $60 (Or full price) tag that always runs along side it.   

So add it up,  minimal changes on a yearly basis, flucuation of features, full priced, new edition each passing year.  This results in a lot of frustration out of loyal fans who need their football fix yearly. 

Additional things to consider is the fact that Madden is an EA sports game.  (Which is a whole other ball of wax)   And last but not least combine the above factors and then see that Madden has the exclusive rights to the football genre? Meaning you are absolutely forced to buy Madden and only Madden? 

 

 

One more gripe that I personally have with Madden is that compared to almost any other football game, it feels like often times you aren't **playing** or playing a lot less than other games.  I'm a good Madden player too, so this isn't an issue of not knowing the controls or various coverages or ways to move your team.  I think Madden is a little too 'simulation' and not enough game.

 

Most of your points have nothing to do with it being a bad football game though. Limited innovations are a problem with every single sports game on this planet that is on a yearly basis. There are limited amounts of innovations that can be done given only 12 months of dev time. Why does Madden need to be the single sports game to get called out on it? I didn't see monster revelations going from MLB 08 the Show to MLB 09 the Show, but they are both fantastic games.

When you are the one and only sports franchise for your sport? And it's the most popular sport to boot?  You better be by far the best football experience. Innovation...New features.....Things to keep people interested better be your specialty.

 

The only valid points brought up are the Franchise mode, which I agree with even though it doesn't affect me personally and the complaint of the game playing itself too much, which I don't understand at all. To counter the first point, Madden 09 introduced online leagues, which is a huge addition.

And ask any Madden player how poorly online leagues are implemented and you will see why.  They could have been much better but they weren't.

 

For the second point, what about Madden is different from other football games to make it feel like you aren't playing? On offense, you pick plays, run hot routes, throw the ball or give it to an RB and then you take control of the individual with the ball until you get tackled or you score.

Most Madden's you don't ever have to catch the pass.  Sure you can user catch but most of the time it's to no benefit of yourself. If you start playing Madden on higher difficulties it becomes decently difficult to bounce runs to the outsite (Without a fast RB).   So you end up passing the ball and running the ball up the middle.   Running the ball up the middle essentially takes very little effort or skill and passing to the open guy while the CPU catches it.

 

You punt and hit field goals just like other football games.

Punting and Field Goals in these games are like Punting and FGs for two year olds.  The kicking is incredibly easy.  There is no issue whatsoever making the longest field goal in the world. Why did they get rid of the moving Field Goal aimer?

 

You return kickoffs like all other football games.

Or you can just let the computer return for you.

 

On defense, you swap defensive players with the press of a button just like other football games. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but I don't see it.

Defense in an effort to stop 'glitchers' they completely sacrificed an element of the game that I enjoyed.  Now you can't manually move your defensive players to different parts of the line of scrimmage because Madden added this wonderful CPU based 'jumping offsides' feature.   Listen,  If I want to jump off-sides?  Let me manually do it.  Don't jump me off sides while I'm controlling my guy.

 

Run Defense usually comes down to calling the proper play and that's about it. While the CPU does all the work.

Pass Defense you'd better pray your CPU defender is covering his position and the CPU defender is there to make a play. 

 

NFL 2K5 for example,  Defense was far more skill based in many ways.  It wasn't so much simulated success.  I think Madden is alright in it's own right but by taking the NFL license exclusively,   you are going to get criticized from all over for people who want to play a fun football game and not necessarily one that tries to be realistic but fails at doing so consistently.