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Final-Fan on 07 October 2007
Entroper said:
Point of Clarification: 1920x1080 = 2.25 * (1280x720). Just so we're clear, you're stating that the PS3 has the potential to render 2.25 times as many pixels as the Xbox 360 with the same effects. Yes? I'm not debating anything in this post, just asking.


MikeB said:
@ Entroper

FullHD is 1920 x 1080, 1080p is 1,080 lines of vertical resolution progressively scanned, so resolution can vary depending on horizontal resolution.



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WEWdeadeye on 07 October 2007

Yeah, FULL HD is 1920x1080, which is ALSO referred to as 1080p, waffle award is definitely merited. That post alone should discredit everything MikeB has said in this entire thread!!



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LordTheNightKnight on 07 October 2007

WEWdeadeye said:

Yeah, FULL HD is 1920x1080, which is ALSO referred to as 1080p, waffle award is definitely merited. That post alone should discredit everything MikeB has said in this entire thread!!

It physically hurt me to read MikeB's post, I mean wow....just...WOW!!! This guy's head is so far up in the clouds it's no wonder he can't see the reality down here on earth. Totally bias and complete fanboyism run rampant in all his points. I gotta give you props sienr, I would have lost it posts and posts ago and just given up, you are my hero. BTW, I own both ps3 and 360, so I am open to logic and reasoning when it comes to these consoles, and to keep things on topic, I haven't played a ps3 game that visually looks better than the 360 ones I play, so so much for all the technical capabilities of the PS3 if they haven't even been put to use yet. It's a moot point when all the games worth playing are on 360 still, hopefully uncharted and R&C come out, those games look good.


 BTW, don't look for R&C to top Gears of War, just in case anyone is expecting that. The game will likely follow Insomniac's MO, which is to avoid pushing the system, to allow for huge streaming levels, with lots of onscreen objects, and a smooth framerate.



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Final-Fan on 07 October 2007
WEWdeadeye said:
Yeah, FULL HD is 1920x1080, which is ALSO referred to as 1080p, waffle award is definitely merited. That post alone should discredit everything MikeB has said in this entire thread!!

The reason I posted the waffle is not that his post was factually incorrect (I don't know that his post even made enough sense to be "right" or "wrong") but because someone asked him a question about how much more powerful he thinks the PS3 is than the 360, and he comes back with something about as stupid as "that depends on what the definition of 'is', uh, is."

Way to not answer the question and not even make any sense, MikeB.

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[edit:  and yes, I know that he was differentiating between 1080i and 1080p, but that was so completely irrelevant to the discussion that he's still talking gibberish.]



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Coca-Cola on 07 October 2007

Basically this is what I got from your article.
PS3 = Big Penis, X360 = Pu55y, so, PS3 should own X360.
You are the ________ and you love your ps3!
I get it!
Enjoy your games.
I'll wait a little longer to buy my PS3 - hoping for a further price-cut!



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Lost tears of Kain on 07 October 2007

MikeB said:Technically I think the PS3 is powerful enough to render a game like Halo 3 in 1080p at 60 FPS together with additional effects, with twice the content, higher quality 7.1 audio and localization on a single disc.

LOL

Mike, comments like these just blow away any comparision you have. Seriously, ive read expert comments on the system. The ps3 is technically more powerful... but to blow us away from 360? not a chance



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sieanr on 07 October 2007
Final-Fan said:
Final-Fan said:
So, sieanr, let's try this again: does your continued silence on the subjects I named, the arguments I restated, and the statements I made at 06:06 09/24/07 in this thread in fact imply that you concede that they are valid and true?

Since I know you have been monitoring this thread until quite recently, and since you asked me specifically to name and state those things, I WILL take silence as assent. [edit: I don't demand instantaneous response, of course. Don't fear that I will declare victory without giving you plenty of time to see this.]

Yay! I win!

Which page is this on?

And what arguments do you mean specifically?



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

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Final-Fan on 07 October 2007

I provided the timestamp of the relevant post, which restates all the arguments.  It is in response to your post immediately above it.  



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sieanr on 07 October 2007
Final-Fan said:

Ahem. On Page 5 alone, here are some of the disputations between us in which you have made an argument, I have presented my counterargument, and I never heard back with either acknowledgement or rebuttal:

NUMBER ONE:
I said:

I would like to point out that that developer's entire point boils down to "PS3 is harder to develop for but has Blu-ray and Cell; 360 has the better GPU; 360 has been out longer and therefore has more and better games; RRoD is not my problem."

None of this is even remotely controversial; MikeB has stated his agreement with all the things I have said above, except for the "better games" which is only true until LBP/MGS4 hit anyway.

Tell me something the developer really said not covered by my above interpretation AND that isn't sheer opinion.


You said:
PS3 cant do AI as well as the 360, due to the Cell

I riposted,
Except he DIDN'T SAY THAT. Anything else? or was that all you had?

You have not responded to that question. If you like, you can simply answer "Yes, I have more" or "No, that was all", or, if the answer is "Yes", you can explain in further detail anything I missed in my summary.

NUMBER TWO:
We have had a lengthy exchange regarding what aspects of the PS3's design may have been rushed. Your last post on this subject was as follows:
The fact that you claim Sony never seriously considered a Cell GPU solution implies that the current GPU arrangment was not rushed.

If Sony had never seriously considered using the Cell for everything, then what was the intended GPU? Since you offered no alternative, I assumed that you meant Sony always planned on something from Nvidia or Ati, and thus had planned as such from the outset.

I responded,
I merely assumed you were aware of your own post in which you stated:
Relativly late in its design cycle Sony came to the realization that 4 Cells would be too expensive and not offer enough performance for graphics. So, Sony went to ATI to ask for a graphics solution. For a while, it looked like they were going to have a deal, but things feel through.

Sony then went to Nvidia, who offered them a quick and dirty solution.

I made it clear that I was rejecting the idea that Sony seriously considered a 4-Cell design beyond the early concept stage, while remaining at least open to the idea that the rest of your information (namely, botched deal with ATI) was accurate.

That scenario, if true, would take care of the "rushed GPU" very nicely without any mention of a multiple-Cell design. Did you assume I was just too stupid to remember what you posted, or were you the forgetful one?

You have not responded to that question, but I'll let you off the hook as it was pretty rhetorical.

NUMBER THREE:
You raised a question:
If you just look at the Cell design, the similarities between the SPUs and Sharder pipelines in a GPU should immedietly jump out. The Cell was designed to perform many functions a traditional GPU can - why would they do that if they always intended to use it as just a CPU.

I responded,
I am (and have been) aware of the Cell-GPU similarities, but this in no way implies that it was meant to substitute for the GPU in the PS3.

This last does not actually require a response, but it is a point that I made which you have neither acknowledged nor rebutted.

On another note: I was aware of the Neo-Geo, but it wasn't a major system the way the NES, PS1, and PS2 were/are. Thanks to Brazil, the Sega Master System, depending on how you count it, either lasted for 14 years as well, or is up to 21 and counting! But I don't think that really ought to count.

(Wikipedia says that it was discontinued there in 2000, and yet "is still in production today". I believe they mean that games are no longer produced but the system itself (with built-in games as well as a cartridge slot) is still manufactured and sold.)

[edit:  And then there's the Atari 2600...] 


1. There are other developers who said the PS3 cant do AI as well as the 360. If you meant that particular developer quote, than no, I dont have anything relevent with regards to that.

2. How does that take care of the rushed GPU design? The GPU in the PS3 is a nvidia G70 variant put in the console at the last moment, it was rushed. All unless what your getting at is that Sony never seriously considered 4-Cell solution; which is odd because they were working on this until a couple months before they went to Nvidia. You dont work on something for that long, with no real alternative, if you arent seriously considering it. Remember that in the past Sony had created their own graphics solutions for their consoles including systems as recent as the PSP. The move to an external vendor for the GPU is quite the change in Sony strategy.

3. It doesn't imply that it was designed to replace the GPU, although it does support the idea that they wanted a 4-cell solution.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

WEWdeadeye on 07 October 2007

A better thread title would be:

My XBox 360 vs PS3 comparison (mostly bias, and Sony PR)



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