Ausfalcon said: MikeB said: Sorry with all the trolling I overlooked your actual input. You are not fooling much of anyone Mike.  Here is another great example of you in action.  With the great comeback from someone rational of "are you a bot?" http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=27068&forum=4&start=480&viewmode=flat&order=0#473377

 

 I agree, all his theories have been disproved in this thread and not once has he addressed the fact he was wrong.  It's not trolling to correct peoples misinformation.

@ Ausfalcon

Wegster is a special case, he joined AmigaWold long after me but has nearly twice the post count (so he posted well more than me).

I criticized him for doing so little for the website apart from just posting, which he could have done without joining the staff as well. For example in all the years since I left, he only posted 11 (and much less really Amiga related) news stories, while I posted 269 in a shorter time span. He added 0 community links, I added 112, he wrote 0 feature articles and I wrote many dozens (tutorials, show reports, interviews, reviews, etc).

I accused the team for a lack of enthusiasm, like I said some got upset from receiving criticism.

He had a lot of criticism on Micheal Carillo, a real enthusiast, albeit sometimes a bit radical, he has a good heart and was a true asset to the Amiga community with his funny presentations and live coverages. So Wegster had it coming, he's still a little upset about this and other things, it shows in his behaviour.

Ausfalcon said: @Ascended_Salyan3 As I said earlier it was my hope not to derail the topic of this thread.  As I mentioned, I landed here from reading MikeB on an Amiga site in threads about game consoles.  And he is IMO no doubt a stealth troll there.  And from there I just found more and more and saw how many people came to the same assesment.  Thats not to say MikeB never states true facts ever, and frankly I'm not technical enough to say if he is right for this one issue for this thread we are in.  But in plenty of other issues, dealing with his twisting of sales statistics, equipment failures, etc.  I have no doubt in my mind he is more often than not a troll.  He seems to get off on crafting numbers to his benefit, he likes to selectively quote sources, often ones that are not valid or are questionable.  When countered where he can not escape the plain truth he evades that and repeats himself on something else.  Its hard to deny that he did not start with the idea that Sony and PS3 are superior and from that he constantly "works the numbers". MikeB is the epitomy of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics Here is another similar assesment of MikeB: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?s=be810c112e97e13b0366ec028131e03b&p=11340090&postcount=656 Funny enough, right after that post its was MikeB's cognitive dissonance that was pointed out.

The best way to find out if MikeB is this "troll" or others are just misinformed is you post some "prime examples" of what you are describing.  If you can't come up with several examples, chances are that the others are misinformed.  Just because several people decide something is correct doesn't make it so.  You need a good amount of data.

 

Guiding Light said: Ascended_Saiyan3 said: Ausfalcon said: Mike, you have never publically agreed with the tons of other folks who have pointed out how you troll either across multiple sites across varying subject matter.  I certainly don't expect myself to be able to fair any better there.  I've provided links that others can read, and spending about 15 minutes beyond that with google if they care to will provide more of the same.  Let alone the fact that people on this very board were already saying the same thing about you before I ever posted a word here.  They don't need to rely on the assessment of others.  Its all there in how you post.  Those other assessments just may help some folks see your pattern of approach for stealth trolling a bit more quickly.    I thought trolls hardly ever post anything to back up what they say.  Usually trolls just say a bunch of crap without evidence.  Ex: Calling someone a troll without proving the data provided is untrue for the sole purpose of trying to discredit them. Looking at the title of this thread, I know that statement is correct.  Yet, people were basically trying to say he was wrong about this very basic truth.  Why is that?  Why are people fighting the truth with such fervor?  It must be Cognitive Dissonance (CD) at play. Here is the breakdown of X360 read speed over a DL DVD disc: First column is diamter in mm, second is area of that volume in square mm's. 119 -----11116.385 <--- Area of DVD in mm (120mm-1mm for buffer) 37 -----1074.665 <--- Area of center (36mm +1mm for buffer) 10041.72 <---- total usable area of DVD9 in square mm First column is diameter in mm, second is how fast data is read at that point on the disk: 119 -----8x <--- 8x speed at outermost point 37 -----3.3 <--- 3.3x speed at innermost point 78 -----5.65 98.5 -----6.825 88.25 -----6.2375 93.375 -----6.53125 95.9375 -----6.678125 <--- 6.678x pointe where data from here on out is read faster than Blu (6.678*10.8 = 72.1MBps, Blu reads at 72MBps) 95.9375 7225.143066 - center volume (1074.665) = 6150.478066 <--Area of volume that's read slower than Blu, or 61.25% of total usable volume. 38.75% of a DVD9 is read equal to, or faster than 6.78x (which is faster than Blu-ray) 38.75% of 7gigs = 2.71GB       Your calculations fall flat on their face because the DVD is read at 12x at the outermost point. It's a shame you didn't bother reading the last 2-3 pages. Namely, my posts. You obviously haven't read anything or you'd see that nobody at this point is disputing that there is 6.8GB of data available to be read for game data on an Xbox 360 game disc.   So kindly edit your post please and stop spreading FUD that looks like it's true to the average noob.

I guess you haven't learned that DL-DVD (DVD9) is read at 8x MAX. SL-DVD (DVD5) are read at a max speed of 12x.

 

@Ascended_Saiyan3

Here are some other examples of the near universal conclusion people come to after dealing with him for any decent length of time:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=961364

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=68818&page=6  (see starcraft's post)

In the second thread MikeB even trys to bait (something he usually does more subtley) outright with a "guess you are not man enough" to someone.  Even though its clear that the other person was factually correct and not Mike.  And regardless of who is right, thats just not something you say to someone else.  Its rude, its trying to incite, and its cowardly over the protection afforded from typing the insult over a computer.

Within almost any of the threads I quote from various sites you can see his tactics.  The "prime examples" are all over and people's assessments (including mine) from reading his posts are entirely consistent.  Bear in mind especially that the people in this console discussion community came to the same conclusion indepently from the Amiga community as well, yet the depth and subtitlies of the listed criticisms are the same.

 

MikeB said: @ Ausfalcon Wegster is a special case, he joined AmigaWold long after me but has nearly twice the post count (so he posted well more than me). I criticized him for doing so little for the website apart from just posting, which he could have done without joining the staff as well. For example in all the years since I left, he only posted 11 (and much less really Amiga related) news stories, while I posted 269 in a shorter time span. He added 0 community links, I added 112, he wrote 0 feature articles and I wrote many dozens (tutorials, show reports, interviews, reviews, etc). I accused the team for a lack of enthusiasm, like I said some got upset from receiving criticism. He had a lot of criticism on Micheal Carillo, a real enthusiast, albeit sometimes a bit radical, he has a good heart and was a true asset to the Amiga community with his funny presentations and live coverages. So Wegster had it coming, he's still a little upset about this and other things, it shows in his behaviour.

So you admit to trolling at Amigaworld.net because "Wegster had it coming"?????

Posting is generally considered contribution Mike.  And what does it matter if he contributes more or less than you anyway?  That site has other mods who contribute far less than him to boot.  You really are shameful.

Is that why you troll here and other places too, for the same reason?  Bruised ego?

 

 

@ Ausfalcon

Criticism is not the same as trolling. I provided mildly worded criticism, without pointing fingers to specific persons at the time. I also suggested many improvements, so IMO constructive criticism. The definition of a troll I wrote down for AmigaWorld was:

"Troll: Trolls show no respect for other people's opinions and deliberately crafts messages to provoke others with the intention of wasting their time and energy or just to cause anger and confrontations. There is no point in arguing with them; their minds are made up. Ignore them, and report the posts immediately to an Amigaworld Team Member. Repeat offenders may incur an instant banned."

Name calling, personal attacks, dragging topics off topic, etc are IMO common trades of trolls, Guilding Light fits this description perfectly for me. So I decide to leave him ignored. You are now bordering to suit this definition as well. As you ignore everything that was clarified and keep posting stuff like:



At least let us know who you are exactly, so I and others can determine if you're really just a troll or not.

Ausfalcon said: @Ascended_Saiyan3 Here are some other examples of the near universal conclusion people come to after dealing with him for any decent length of time: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=961364 http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=68818&page=6  (see starcraft's post) In the second thread MikeB even trys to bait (something he usually does more subtley) outright with a "guess you are not man enough" to someone.  Even though its clear that the other person was factually correct and not Mike.  And regardless of who is right, thats just not something you say to someone else.  Its rude, its trying to incite, and its cowardly over the protection afforded from typing the insult over a computer. Within almost any of the threads I quote from various sites you can see his tactics.  The "prime examples" are all over and people's assessments (including mine) from reading his posts are entirely consistent.  Bear in mind especially that the people in this console discussion community came to the same conclusion indepently from the Amiga community as well, yet the depth and subtitlies of the listed criticisms are the same.

Maybe I should just ask you for YOUR definition of "trolling".  It seems many people have many different definitions.

 

One of the worst examples of the Amiga “Kommunity” has been unleashed on a modern console forum? This was predicted jokingly as soon as MikeB started promoting the PS3 on Amiga forums. To MikeB, his platform of choice is more than a religion, it is his cult and he likes to think of himself as a cult leader. Most Amiga users in the past 10+ years are retro hobbyist, but there is a small core of users who fall into this cult like mindset. MikeB was the worst example and liked to portray himself as a “Kommunity” leader to these cult members.

 

Nothing was sacred to him and this thread shows there is still nothing sacred to him. Lies are not the half of it, why not ask him about the frauds he helped perpetuate? Mike is sure trying to brag about his close ties to certain companies such as Amiga Inc and Eyetech, like that was honorable. Both of these companies participated in fraudulent business practices, scams and theft. MikeB was part and parcel to these scams. Ask Mike about a $1,000 motherboard called an AmigaOne, ask him about the coupon scam, the party pack scam. Anyhow, now that MikeB has started using a PS3 this is now his new religion. I am sure he is trying to suck up to any PS3 3rd party companies he can, god forbid he does. It could be the biggest ripoff or scam in the most obvious fashion and he will shamelessly pump away with lies and deceit.

 

The scourge of MikeB has been unleashed on larger online communities, beware!!

Troll topic? Really we all knew that its 6.8 and guess what games are being put on PS3 blue ray, a 50 gig disc with 6.8 being used.