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CommunistHater on 21 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
CommunistHater said:
Most of you have been brain washed to be for non-traditional marriage. You are brainwashed by all the media you consume that is fantasy made to look like real life.

Brainwashed to think that those that think different from you are dumb and bigoted from your small exclusive cliques that you belong to.

You're brain washed to think that there's such a thing as 'traditional marriage'.

Next sentence you contradict your self by using the term you put in quotes

Traditional marriage was between one man and many women.

Not for the cultue we have been living in.

Marriage has been evolving over time.

General Definition of Two Different Sexes has not evolved

I'm not the brain washed one here.

Than why do you hate on people who disagree with you in the net sentence

There's no reason gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except for stupid old texts written by men of primitive societies, and people's own irrelivant opinions about it being gross or wrong.

Your reason is based in a hate for the things you stated above.  Definition of Marriage is two opposite sex people.  The two sexes are biologically different.  Marriage is a protected institution of that biological difference in our country

If someone thinks gay marriage is wrong and does not support it, they're a bigot by definition: 'a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.'

INTOLERANCE= Codemning a person for a belief not failing to support their belief with tax dollars

What they're a bigot against, gay marriage, is an injustice.

INJUSTICE is you being against their free speech

I'm a bigot myself

Utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. 

 

, against illogical people.

and people who disagree with your opinion

 

There's no rational basis for why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except ignorant opinions based on cultural or religious values.

Ignorant is calling something it is not.

 

 

 



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SciFiBoy on 21 April 2009

there is no excuse for being an ignorant idiot, people who dont like gay people are ignorant idiots, therefore, they fail, allways.



HappySqurriel on 21 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
there is no excuse for being an ignorant idiot, people who dont like gay people are ignorant idiots, therefore, they fail, allways.

How does having a different definition of marriage mean that someone doesn't like gay people?

A large portion of people who disagree with gay marriage fully support the rights of adults to choose their own sexuality, and enter into any relationship (between consenting adults) that they choose to, but they see marriage as being far more than a wedding; and they see marriage as being a relationship which implicitly requires two people of the opposite sex.

typically, the most intollerant people in a gay marriage debate tend to be its supporters ...



ssj12 on 21 April 2009

Actually it is very easy to figure out where she went wrong. It was in this line.

And you know what in my country, in my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.

If she didn't say "in my country" she would have been perfectly fine. Those three words made it sound like the entire US population was against same-sex marriage like her family.

So realistically it was her own poor choice of words that caused her downfall.



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Kasz216 on 21 April 2009
ssj12 said:
Actually it is very easy to figure out where she went wrong. It was in this line.

And you know what in my country, in my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.

If she didn't say "in my country" she would have been perfectly fine. Those three words made it sound like the entire US population was against same-sex marriage like her family.

So realistically it was her own poor choice of words that caused her downfall.

The majority of peole in the US are though...

I'm not.

The majority though.



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WessleWoggle on 21 April 2009
CommunistHater said:
WessleWoggle said:
CommunistHater said:
Most of you have been brain washed to be for non-traditional marriage. You are brainwashed by all the media you consume that is fantasy made to look like real life.

Brainwashed to think that those that think different from you are dumb and bigoted from your small exclusive cliques that you belong to.

You're brain washed to think that there's such a thing as 'traditional marriage'.

Next sentence you contradict your self by using the term you put in quotes

No I didn't, 'traditional marriage'(in quotes) is in reference to the picture of traditional marriage that anti-gay people like to paint. When I use it without quotes, I was referring to what traditional marriage actually was. There was no contradiction, you just didn't understand my sentance structure.

Traditional marriage was between one man and many women.

Not for the cultue we have been living in.

Who cares what cultures say if it's illogical? 

Marriage has been evolving over time.

General Definition of Two Different Sexes has not evolved

You point being? My point was marriage can continue to evolve.

I'm not the brain washed one here.

Than why do you hate on people who disagree with you in the net sentence

Because they're illogical. 

There's no reason gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except for stupid old texts written by men of primitive societies, and people's own irrelivant opinions about it being gross or wrong.

Your reason is based in a hate for the things you stated above.  Definition of Marriage is two opposite sex people.  The two sexes are biologically different.  Marriage is a protected institution of that biological difference in our country

My reason is based in logic. There's no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married. Marriage is whatever we define it as, your argument doesn't make sense. Protecting biological difference? Wtf? 

If someone thinks gay marriage is wrong and does not support it, they're a bigot by definition: 'a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.'

INTOLERANCE= Codemning a person for a belief not failing to support their belief with tax dollars

What tax dollars are you talking about? 

What they're a bigot against, gay marriage, is an injustice.

INJUSTICE is you being against their free speech

What free speech am I against? What are you talking about? 

I'm a bigot myself

Utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. 

Yes, against illogical opinions. What's wrong with that? 

 , against illogical people.

and people who disagree with your opinion

My opinion is based on logic. If people don't agree, they're illogical. My logic is fallible though, so I often change my position on views based on the most logical option.

There's no rational basis for why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except ignorant opinions based on cultural or religious values.

Ignorant is calling something it is not.

Explain? 

 

 

 

 

 



WessleWoggle on 21 April 2009
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:
there is no excuse for being an ignorant idiot, people who dont like gay people are ignorant idiots, therefore, they fail, allways.

How does having a different definition of marriage mean that someone doesn't like gay people?

A large portion of people who disagree with gay marriage fully support the rights of adults to choose their own sexuality, and enter into any relationship (between consenting adults) that they choose to, but they see marriage as being far more than a wedding; and they see marriage as being a relationship which implicitly requires two people of the opposite sex.

typically, the most intollerant people in a gay marriage debate tend to be its supporters ...

Explain why being intolerant of the intolerant is a bad thing?

 



SciFiBoy on 21 April 2009
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:
there is no excuse for being an ignorant idiot, people who dont like gay people are ignorant idiots, therefore, they fail, allways.

How does having a different definition of marriage mean that someone doesn't like gay people?

A large portion of people who disagree with gay marriage fully support the rights of adults to choose their own sexuality, and enter into any relationship (between consenting adults) that they choose to, but they see marriage as being far more than a wedding; and they see marriage as being a relationship which implicitly requires two people of the opposite sex.

typically, the most intollerant people in a gay marriage debate tend to be its supporters ...


surely gay people deserve equal rights with straight people?

 



ssj12 on 21 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
ssj12 said:
Actually it is very easy to figure out where she went wrong. It was in this line.

And you know what in my country, in my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.

If she didn't say "in my country" she would have been perfectly fine. Those three words made it sound like the entire US population was against same-sex marriage like her family.

So realistically it was her own poor choice of words that caused her downfall.

The majority of peole in the US are though...

I'm not.

The majority though.

 

It isnt really a matter of minority or majority though when it comes to her answer. It makes it sound like the state of Vermont just randomly allowed same-sex marriage without approval of the people. That sentence comes off as if she believes that there isn't a single person that is homosexual in the USA. She contradicted herself though which was another fault. That was still recoverable if she didn't screw up with that sentence.



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GamingChartzFTW on 21 April 2009
ssj12 said:
Actually it is very easy to figure out where she went wrong. It was in this line.

And you know what in my country, in my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.

If she didn't say "in my country" she would have been perfectly fine. Those three words made it sound like the entire US population was against same-sex marriage like her family.

(...)

 

A common rhetorical trick. She pretty much revealed the "depth" of her character and denied her fellow countrymen any individuality. Good job miss california. Good job. :/