starcraft said: The Ghost of RubangB said: starcraft said: The meat argument is ridiculous. But it is still more relevant to this debate than the race argument. You seriously think that comparing civil rights movements to civil rights movements is irrelevant, while comparing gay marriage to veganism is relevant but ridiculous? I didnt say that veganism was relevant.  I said it was more relevant.  Given how little relevance race has to this debate, you can consider them both irrelevant.  starcraft said: I like Bacon said: starcraft said: The meat argument is ridiculous. But it is still more relevant to this debate than the race argument.  Why? Most people who are gay are born that way. Probably well over 90%. I have never met a gay person who has chosen to be gay. I've never seen any credibly evidence supporting the notion that 0-5 year olds are emphatically gay or straight... Of course you've never seen any credible evidence if you've never looked for it. I was completely disgusted by girls at age 3, because they had cooties, but it was obvious that I was straight because I didn't think boys had cooties.  Boys were neutral to me.  If you really think that nobody is aware of their sexuality at age 3, go ask 10 people when they first realized they liked girls or boys, and see how many of them say 2, 3, 4, or 5.  Anything later is some serious denial. When I was 6 I felt my mates balls as a matter of routine.  Given my straight nature, I'd say it turned out to be largely irrelevant, along the same lines as most of the points you've made in this thread.

@first part:

People like you make race relevant by using similar "separate but equal" arguments to discriminate against gays as were previously used to discriminate against racial minorities.

@second part:

Feeling your mate's balls was you being young and trying to learn about balls and your friend, and may have been sexually exploratory in some way, but definitely not sexuality-defining.  So THAT is irrelevant.  Sexuality is defined by who you love, not whose balls you touch.  I could go grab every nutsack on my block, and it wouldn't turn me or anybody else gay.

Starcraft, comparing it to the race is mostly about the attitudes of the people. You have the same kinds of attitudes as people who thought interacial marriage was bad.

Yeah I don't know if it was a question that should have been asked at the pageant either, but I watched an interview with Miss USA afterwards when she was questioned about several of her opinions surrounding different aspects of the situation, and her responses were much more respectful and logically supportive. I think that NC won because she was a better candidate.

And I completely agree on a political level (and personal, actually). My point is that you have to understand where someone is coming from and her point wasn't that controversial. She has her beliefs. You may disagree with them but I didn't see her up in arms screaming about how all gays should be locked in a cellar. Do I think she's ignorant? Yes. Do I think everyone should be making a huge fuss over a beauty queen being an idiot? No.

inb4someuser posts even more ridiculious comparisons.

/ vegetarianism debate

You're unwillingness to argue makes you a pedophile.....yep, those two go hand in hand......definitely.

Yeah the "my country" was a bit out of place.

very brave answer imo,

not so openminded but indeed very brave

No I feel sorry for her, she is clearly not anti gay she just believes in traditional values and all that, thats how she was brought up

Perez Hilton's is such a moron

 There's better things to do in the world then fuss about beauty queen, but it's funner to fuss than it is not to fuss.