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WessleWoggle said:

Wtf does that mean? How does that make sense?

 

 

If you went back a couple of generations in time (and then through most cultures throughout history), the average person would see a wedding as being a "Celebration of Love" and marriage without the intention of having children as being very odd ways to look at it ... after all, many cultures fully accepted that people would get married for status or wealth (or what not) and have a romantic relationship on the side in the form of a mistress.

In a very short period of time, due to (way) too much bombardment that love preluded marriage has distorted its meaning and people don't fully understand what the purpose of the relationship really is ... Its not that uncommon to hear about people getting divorced because they "Fell out of Love" while I'm certain that most people in my great grandparents generation would reply to that "So? you can fall in and out of love several times durring a marriage, and the relationship gets stronger from battling through the hard times"

If people completely disassociate marriage with children it is plausable that you would see a greater number of single parrents who have no relationship to the resources of their "partners" extended family ... While these resources may seem small, over the lifetime of a child the financial, moral, emotional and networking support really adds up and gives the child a huge advantage.



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whats wrong with single parents?



Lolz, everyone gets offended. You don't see me crying about it when someone says that anime is stupid. I just give 'em a dose of "Fuck you" and three steps away.

Seriously, eveyone is way too damn sensitive.

Anyways, I'm going to leave this thread before I make more people cry and get banned again... I will not be back. In fact, I'm going to go post in 8 more threads to get this off of my sidebar...

._.




Yes she did and I think it was unfortunate. 1.) She was hot. 2.) She just answered a question, truthfully, without a PR lie. That has merit all by itself. Don't worry, she will be alright.



HappySqurriel said:
WessleWoggle said:

Wtf does that mean? How does that make sense?

 

 

If you went back a couple of generations in time (and then through most cultures throughout history), the average person would see a wedding as being a "Celebration of Love" and marriage without the intention of having children as being very odd ways to look at it ... after all, many cultures fully accepted that people would get married for status or wealth (or what not) and have a romantic relationship on the side in the form of a mistress.

In a very short period of time, due to (way) too much bombardment that love preluded marriage has distorted its meaning and people don't fully understand what the purpose of the relationship really is ... Its not that uncommon to hear about people getting divorced because they "Fell out of Love" while I'm certain that most people in my great grandparents generation would reply to that "So? you can fall in and out of love several times durring a marriage, and the relationship gets stronger from battling through the hard times"

If people completely disassociate marriage with children it is plausable that you would see a greater number of single parrents who have no relationship to the resources of their "partners" extended family ... While these resources may seem small, over the lifetime of a child the financial, moral, emotional and networking support really adds up and gives the child a huge advantage.

Err, and the reason why gay marriage is bad? Because the children are of less benefit? What does that have to do with marriage?

I'm a little thick right now, Please make a line of logic like:

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L.C.E.C. said:
Lolz, everyone gets offended. You don't see me crying about it when someone says that anime is stupid. I just give 'em a dose of "Fuck you" and three steps away.

Seriously, eveyone is way too damn sensitive.

Anyways, I'm going to leave this thread before I make more people cry and get banned again... I will not be back. In fact, I'm going to go post in 8 more threads to get this off of my sidebar...

._.

 

 :/ lulz

Yes. Everyone seems so offended. It's silly really. Why would some individuals bother to be offended by other people in society. It's just a waste of time. Why would the Celts/Gauls bother to be offended when the Romans told them to conform to their own ways? Why didn't they just like, .."three steps away and a dose of F.Y." ?

Discussing cultural values in societies is very interesting and it's bound to stir up some feelings.

btw.. This is a pretty good thread.

 



nojustno said:
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MrBubbles said:
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wfz said:
nojustno said:
wfz said:
Pics?

Anyways, that's pretty lame that she was booed off and called such names by people who are insecure and/or overly sensitive freaks.

It's her opinion and she's entitled to it, everyone else can **** off.

 

True, entitled 100%. She's still a bigot for having that opinion though and certainly didn't deserve to win.

So while she respects and celebrates the fact that people can choose to marry and be with whoever they want, she holds a personal opinion that is different. I don't know why you'd condemn her for that.

 

I understand that people can choose whether or not to drink Alcohol, and I respect that. Personally, I dislike alcohol and I don't think it's a good thing to drink and I stay away from it.

 

Same boat, no?

 

 

I condemn her simply because I think her opinion is backwards and weak. Am I not entitled to think that way?

But shouldn't she be able to have that opinion without

I'm definitely the lesser of evils though :3

 

All I can say is that I sense a good deal of hypocrisy :/

Cool story bro, how about actually contributing to the thread instead of pointing fingers.

 

 

By your command; process initialized: hypocracy counter'3

process results: Since the person disagrees with you on the matter, they are a bigot- even though no harm was meant, and she (Ms. California) is even ok with gay people "shacking up". No bigotry found. She just has an issue with gay "Marriage".  Your responses are increasingly defense, albeit, understandable, and small hints of a superiority complex. Nice work.



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Marriage was created as a sexist institution to exchange property from one man to another without the woman being able to own property on her own. This existed before the Abrahamic religions and before the American government. That is "traditional marriage." If you want to allow churches to dictate marriage laws, then you are choosing sides and making us a theocracy.

Marriage has evolved many times in many ways in many places, and will continue to evolve, and religions don't have a copyright on the idea. Traditionally, most western cultures have at some point allowed one man to have several wives, because they were also traditionally considered property. Marriages have also traditionally been performed to create alliances and peace treaties. The Catholic Church didn't even recognize marriage as a sacrament until the 12th century. In early America, if a woman's husband died, and there were no living male relatives to get all the property, and she got the house and the land and the money (this was very rare, since they would prefer to give it to any brother, father, or cousin they could find), they would call her a witch and kill her. (If we let women own land, we might have to let them vote, and that was a really scary idea back then.)

As far as the American government is concerned, marriage needs to be legal for everybody or illegal for everybody. The churches can decide whether or not to recognize certain marriages, but they shouldn't have any power to get the laws changed so they get special treatment. This would be done the same way different Christian churches won't recognize divorces in the same way the government does.

In the U.S., the majority is not supposed to have power to vote away the rights of the minorities. That's where majority rule ends and becomes tyranny, and is one of the reasons we have a Supreme Court to stop the majority when they go mad with power. There are still people who think blacks and whites marrying each other is some gross unholy sin, and there was a time when they were the majority and that was the law. Those laws weren't repealed until the Supreme Court got rid of them in 1967, with the Loving v. Virginia case. I believe that's how the gay marriage issue will end up, and then in 40 years kids will look back at gay marriage laws and think they were as ridiculously ancient and unfair as anti-miscegenation laws.

Or maybe we should all fondly remember the wise words of Virginia judge Leon Bazile from 1965, 2 years before the Supreme Court overturned his decision: "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."


@OP,

Miss California said "opposite marriage" and should have lost due to that alone. She also should have just worded it better so she wasn't telling everybody else how to live. She tried to tone it down a bit by saying it's great how people can decide, but then in the next breath she decided, for everybody. And that's where she lost. It was a pretty tricky question for a beauty pageant, definitely, but at beauty pageants you're supposed to give really boring answers about world peace, no matter what the question is.

I hope somebody makes a beauty pageant mash-up video, where I can learn that most people don't have maps of opposite marriage and the Iraq.



Why does it matter if she lost because of that question? If people don't want someone with that opinion to be Miss America because of any reason, it's their choice entirely.

Don't they progress based on their looks and the answers to their questions? So surely every girl there (excluding the winner) lost because of their answer to a question. Big whoop.

It's not exactly as if this is some politician thing, it's Miss America.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
Marriage was created as a sexist institution to exchange property from one man to another without the woman being able to own property on her own. Correct. This existed before the Abrahamic religions and before the American government. That is "traditional marriage." If you want to allow churches to dictate marriage laws, then you are choosing sides and making us a theocracy. True.

Marriage has evolved many times in many ways in many places, and will continue to evolve, and religions don't have a copyright on the idea. Traditionally, most western cultures have at some point allowed one man to have several wives, because they were also traditionally considered property. Marriages have also traditionally been performed to create alliances and peace treaties. The Catholic Church didn't even recognize marriage as a sacrament until the 12th century. In early America, if a woman's husband died, and there were no living male relatives to get all the property, and she got the house and the land and the money (this was very rare, since they would prefer to give it to any brother, father, or cousin they could find), they would call her a witch and kill her. (If we let women own land, we might have to let them vote, and that was a really scary idea back then.)

As far as the American government is concerned, marriage needs to be legal for everybody or illegal for everybody. The churches can decide whether or not to recognize certain marriages, but they shouldn't have any power to get the laws changed so they get special treatment. This would be done the same way different Christian churches won't recognize divorces in the same way the government does.

In the U.S., the majority is not supposed to have power to vote away the rights of the minorities. That's where majority rule ends and becomes tyranny, Exactly! and is one of the reasons we have a Supreme Court to stop the majority when they go mad with power. There are still people who think blacks and whites marrying each other is some gross unholy sin, and there was a time when they were the majority and that was the law. Those laws weren't repealed until the Supreme Court got rid of them in 1967, with the Loving v. Virginia case. I believe that's how the gay marriage issue will end up, and then in 40 years kids will look back at gay marriage laws and think they were as ridiculously ancient and unfair as anti-miscegenation laws.

Or maybe we should all fondly remember the wise words of Virginia judge Leon Bazile from 1965, 2 years before the Supreme Court overturned his decision: "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."


@OP,

Miss California said "opposite marriage" and should have lost due to that alone. She also should have just worded it better so she wasn't telling everybody else how to live. She tried to tone it down a bit by saying it's great how people can decide, but then in the next breath she decided, for everybody. And that's where she lost. It was a pretty tricky question for a beauty pageant, definitely, but at beauty pageants you're supposed to give really boring answers about world peace, no matter what the question is.

I hope somebody makes a beauty pageant mash-up video, where I can learn that most people don't have maps of opposite marriage and the Iraq.

 

Learn from the post above.

Impressive! :D