im sorry i really, really dont see Killzone having better graphics than MGS4..... not the charecter models, not the inviroments.... but i would love to discuss that in a diff thread since im going off topic

Graphics are really alot to do with personal preference. I like KZ2 better as I love the gritty warzone environment, wind effects especially in the desert, particle effects and explosions. The fact that this is brought in a First Peron View with so much going on, on the screen makes this all the better. I do agree though that MGS4s characters are the most detailed ive seen and its backgrounds are mostly better.

And you aren't really going off topic, especially not compared to most of the other threads around here

uhhh...you don't be silly. I am "pro PS3" but that doesn't mean I'm blind. I was Pro PS2 last gen and had absolutley no problem admitting the graphical advantages of many Xbox games. I beat both Gears 2 and MGS4 on the same 1080p HDTV and Gears 2 doesn't even hold a candle to MGS4.

Mirror's Edge and I say that just from playing the demo.

Oh well, its your opinion. Im not the only one who disagrees with this though, although I do still think MGS4 edges Gears out

Gears of War 2, without a doubt. It was consistently beautiful (after the training mission).

No doubt. I know of several people on these forums that would disagree with me. Most of them I would not even reply to because they are wearing their fanboy goggles when deciding. But, like you said earlier, graphics are subjective and also include personal preference.

Am i the only one that doesn't find the mgs4 graphics anything to rant about

World of Goo and Braid were graphically stunning, for different reasons.