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Tyrannical on 18 April 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Tyrannical, you keep insulting akuma but ignoring his point.

Destroying the Constitution to protect the Constitution is just as crazy as seceding from the Union to protect the Union.

 

 The US constitution gives rights and privalleges to US citizens, not to enemy combatants.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

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akuma587 on 18 April 2009

Last time I checked, the Constitution says "person" in all these applicable provisions in the Bill of Rights. It doesn't say "citizen." But its already pretty much been established that you have no problem disregarding the Constitution, so I am not surprised.

And how about you actually get out some constitutional provisions or cite to some case law before you make statements like that. You aren't the Supreme Court.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 18 April 2009

And this has nothing to do with compassion. It has to do with obeying the law. The Constitution is the most fundamental law in this country. Its kind of ridiculous to go about prosecuting people for a crime when you yourself aren't obeying the law. The government is not above the law in this country.

We are not a country that justifies the means we use with the ends those means achieve. We value fairness and obeying the law while enforcing the law. Its not just about getting the right result. Its about doing it the right way.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Tyrannical on 18 April 2009
akuma587 said:
Last time I checked, the Constitution says "person" in all these applicable provisions in the Bill of Rights. It doesn't say "citizen." But its already pretty much been established that you have no problem disregarding the Constitution, so I am not surprised.

And how about you actually get out some constitutional provisions or cite to some case law before you make statements like that. You aren't the Supreme Court.

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/constitution/text.html

 It's funny that in the original text of the constitution, it refers to "We the People of the United States", with People capitized as if a proper noun. Every occurance of the word "Person" is also capitized as a proper noun, implying that it refers to the proper noun People, referring to People of the United States.

In the bill of rights, "person" is not capitialized oddly enough.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire