bobacob said:
Rpruett said:
786_ali said:
puffy said:
786_ali said:
puffy said:
TheRealMafoo said:
786_ali said:
Every civilisation since the first man has had a religion, you can't just dismiss it like that.
I'm 100% sure that both exist
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Funny, this is one of the reasons I think religion is false. If everyone believes in it, and everyone believes something different, then it's more likely that humans are driven to believe in something, then it is that any of it's actually true.
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I'm not going to turn this into a religion-preaching thread, so I won't comment on your ignorance and false-logic
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I'm currently studying the first known religions in Egypt and Mesopotamia as my breadth subject for my Bachelor of Science so please don't dare call me ignorant. That fact that humans have invented religion throughout time suggests that they've always wanted to believe that something happens to their loved ones after they die, it's human instinct really. It was also used to explain things that couldn't be explained and to take power over people by priests or kings.
The ancient Egyptians thought that when you died, your heart would be weighed against a feather and if it was heavier then your heart was heavy because you lead a bad life, therefore you could not go on to the afterlife. They prepared meals for their dead kings when they were dead thinking that they needed this for the afterlife, they buried them with boats because they saw the sky as a celestial ocean that the kings would travel.
They had many gods but the Egyptians also had the first monotheistic religion in which they worshipped Aten the solar disk (the sun). Tutankaten then changed the religion back to what it was previously with the god Amun reinstated as the supreme diety and he changed his name to Tutankamun. The Greeks had a similar religeous system of many gods but a monotheistic approach has been adopted in modern times..
I think with all of the evidence we have today to point to things happening differently than what is said in the religious texts and the ability to reflect on the past and see that humans have had the nature to explain things in terms of supernatural forces, it's not the most solid of ground to stand on anymore..Many things in the bible have been scientifically explained and I think it was the famous Moses parting the water that was proven to actually be an area of low tide that would have occured in the right general area at the time that it was said to have happened.. So a lot of over exaggeration and books written many many years ago, compiled by someone who didn't know these people, who knows what he might have added in or edited slightly..
I'm not against people believing and a god could indeed exist with an after life etc but I don't think people should base their entire lives around it..
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I'm out of this thread. This is heading towards a flamewar fast, with a few claiming that all relgions are made up
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I think he gave a pretty well thought out response? No one is technically right or wrong in this discussion as there is no proof of either side.
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Let me put it to you like this, a religious persons 'rules of engagement' are dramatically different than someone who is not. I do not know if you are familliar with the binding of Isaac but this is what a persons religion means to them if they are truly religious.
If you argue about the existence of a religion with person who is of that faith, it would be safe to assume it is not a trivial matter to them.
Note: I am not religious :o).
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It works both ways. Religious people are trying to convince you that you are believing in nothing when there is something or vice versa. If you're a religious person and in this discussion (and being reasonable trying to account for everyone's beliefs) understanding and rationalizing the fact that you 'could' be wrong is plausible.
I understand what you're saying...Essentially a person of faith will find the whole idea of nothing to be a complete lie and therefore can't be convinced another way but that's essentially the whole problem. I've yet to read a truly compelling argument to make me say "You know what? That whole religious thing makes a lot of sense." It's usually premised off the same rhetoric and what I would call excuses. "It's just faith...You gotta just believe...etc...etc".
I just believe you can be objective and religious. In the world that I know and live in....When something isn't tangible in any way,shape, or form it doesn't exist.
