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rocketpig on 13 April 2009
halogamer1989 said:
rocketpig said:
So, you fucking hypocrites, how does it feel to do nothing?

I give blood, donate, give money to people who need it, etc.  The thing is I am not forced to and that is a better feeling that having charity be a reg forced 9-5.

We may disagree on many things Halo but this is one thing where we share the same opinion.

Charity isn't charity when an individual is mandated to do it. I see mention of college degrees in this thread but that is different. University involves introducing the student to the community in several ways. Charity is just one of them. This is different.

 




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TheRealMafoo on 13 April 2009
largedarryl said:
TheRealMafoo said:
largedarryl said:
So its okay for the UK government to attack the civil liberties of a group not able to voice their opinions?

 

Isn’t making them go to school in the first place the same thing?

I mean if the purpose of this is a learning experience for the kids, then it’s education. Just not education learned in a classroom. If the purpose is to get free labor from a workforce, then it’s wrong.

Attending school is a choice by the parent or guardian.  In the case of the age group <19, their rights are decided by the parents or guardians.  The said parents or guardians can force these dependents to do whatever they see as being best for them.  It is (as I'm sure I've seen you put it before) not the governments place to tell people what to do with their children.

Also, I don't think children are forced to go to school (and if they are that is also wrong).

 

 

I am against forcing anyone to work for others, I was just curious what your view was.



SamuelRSmith on 13 April 2009
largedarryl said:
TheRealMafoo said:
largedarryl said:
So its okay for the UK government to attack the civil liberties of a group not able to voice their opinions?

 

Isn’t making them go to school in the first place the same thing?

I mean if the purpose of this is a learning experience for the kids, then it’s education. Just not education learned in a classroom. If the purpose is to get free labor from a workforce, then it’s wrong.

Attending school is a choice by the parent or guardian.  In the case of the age group <19, their rights are decided by the parents or guardians.  The said parents or guardians can force these dependents to do whatever they see as being best for them.  It is (as I'm sure I've seen you put it before) not the governments place to tell people what to do with their children.

Also, I don't think children are forced to go to school (and if they are that is also wrong).

 

 

In the UK school is compulsary until the age of 16 (being increased to 18), if the child doesn't attend regularly enough parents will get a fine/prison time.

Seriously, a place where children can chose whether or not they go to school? The country would be fucked.



TheRealMafoo on 13 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:

Seriously, a place where children can chose whether or not they go to school? The country would be fucked.

 

I don't think it's forced in the US. Not sure though.



SamuelRSmith on 13 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
SamuelRSmith said:

Seriously, a place where children can chose whether or not they go to school? The country would be fucked.

 

I don't think it's forced in the US. Not sure though.

 

Maybe not at a Washing D.C. level, but I'd bet the majority of the states enforce it.



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Kasz216 on 13 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
largedarryl said:
TheRealMafoo said:
largedarryl said:
So its okay for the UK government to attack the civil liberties of a group not able to voice their opinions?

 

Isn’t making them go to school in the first place the same thing?

I mean if the purpose of this is a learning experience for the kids, then it’s education. Just not education learned in a classroom. If the purpose is to get free labor from a workforce, then it’s wrong.

Attending school is a choice by the parent or guardian.  In the case of the age group <19, their rights are decided by the parents or guardians.  The said parents or guardians can force these dependents to do whatever they see as being best for them.  It is (as I'm sure I've seen you put it before) not the governments place to tell people what to do with their children.

Also, I don't think children are forced to go to school (and if they are that is also wrong).

 

 

In the UK school is compulsary until the age of 16 (being increased to 18), if the child doesn't attend regularly enough parents will get a fine/prison time.

Seriously, a place where children can chose whether or not they go to school? The country would be fucked.

I don't think you read his post very well... bolded what was important.

 



SamuelRSmith on 13 April 2009

Actually, I was referring to the last part of the post. (You know, the bit in brackets).



Kasz216 on 13 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
TheRealMafoo said:
SamuelRSmith said:

Seriously, a place where children can chose whether or not they go to school? The country would be fucked.

 

I don't think it's forced in the US. Not sure though.

 

Maybe not at a Washing D.C. level, but I'd bet the majority of the states enforce it.

Not really.  You can withold your kid from school in any state you want.  Just so long as you teach him or her on your own time.  At most they just insist you are acredited.  I know a lot of people who were homeschooled.

 



Kasz216 on 13 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
Actually, I was referring to the last part of the post. (You know, the bit in brackets).

Being forced to go to school by your parents isn't beign forced to be in school.

Since it's your guardians choice and your guardian leagally makes the decisions for you.  It's basically as if you made the decision yourself.

 



SciFiBoy on 13 April 2009

education is a good thing, i think we can all agree on that.

my only issue is forcing children to do the voulantry work, i think they should have a choice in that, or at the very least they should choose what work they do, so its relevant to there ambitions.