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rocketpig on 14 April 2009
Viper1 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Viper1 said:
Auron said:
The terms compulsory and voluntary are used in referring to the same thing in this article........glad to be in the U.S.

Don't get too excited.  Obama wants the same thing.

 

Thsi is straight from his official website.

 

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."

 

 

He can't do that, it violates our civil rights.

The Patriot Act says hello.

Probably the most insiduous, horrible thing in American history. Slavery? Yeah, terrible. But this unabashed violation of our rights is deplorable.

All for the sake of safety... What is "safety" anyway? An immediate fear does not give the government the right to *message deleted because "inappropriate issues were spoken about*

 




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Tyrannical on 14 April 2009

I'm all for required community service for the unemployed.



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halogamer1989 on 14 April 2009
rocketpig said:
Viper1 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Viper1 said:
Auron said:
The terms compulsory and voluntary are used in referring to the same thing in this article........glad to be in the U.S.

Don't get too excited.  Obama wants the same thing.

 

Thsi is straight from his official website.

 

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."

 

 

He can't do that, it violates our civil rights.

The Patriot Act says hello.

Probably the most insiduous, horrible thing in American history. Slavery? Yeah, terrible. But this unabashed violation of our rights is deplorable.

All for the sake of safety... What is "safety" anyway? An immediate fear does not give the government the right to *message deleted because "inappropriate issues were spoken about*

 

This kind of elect. surveillance has been going on for decades.  Anyone ever hear of NSA's ECHELON program?

 



City17 on 14 April 2009

I would recommend my type of community service to anyone!



largedarryl on 14 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
I'm talking about one, you're talking about the other.

What you want is simply unrealistic, and, yeah, I'm going to say it, impossible. For this to work you would need to judge the parenting abilities of every parent in the country. This brings up two problems:

1 - Cost. Imagine how expensive it would be to judge the quality of every parent in the nation. Not only that, but you couldn't do it without constant monitoring of the parents, and so that would be an even bigger infringement of civil liberties.

2 - Lack of standardisation. What the person monitoring the parent considers to be bad parenting would be different from what another person classes a bad parenting. Unless the Government were to draw up a strict set of rules for parents, but, the old civil-liberties bells ring again.

And once we get over these two stumbling blocks, you then have to train these people who don't want to be there. What's more one of the huge judgements on whether a parent is good or bad would be whether they send the kids of school. The parent would go through the legal system and training for not sending their kid to school.

By doing it my way, we remove the two stumbling blocks and we get down to the same ends.

I think you are misunderstanding my opinions here.  I do agree that my solutions to the poor parenting problem has serious shortfalls.  My focus of discussion isn't looking at this problem.  It is looking at the government making decisions for all parents in general.  This I see as a serious problem and a very slippery slope that the government is leveraging its own power.