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Strategyking92 on 13 April 2009
Viper1 said:
Auron said:
The terms compulsory and voluntary are used in referring to the same thing in this article........glad to be in the U.S.

Don't get too excited.  Obama wants the same thing.

 

Thsi is straight from his official website.

 

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."

 

 

He can't do that, it violates our civil rights.



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largedarryl on 13 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
^It's not just welfare parents. My mother also has to deal with a lot of cases of spoilt children who don't go in because they don't want to.

Or parents who can't control their children.
Or people who managed to get lucky in life, and therefore can't see the point in education.

You also have a problem with wealthy parents who become to unattached from what the real world is like.

Welfare parents, spoiled children, etc. are all a result of poor parenting.  If legal action is needed to fix these problems then fine, this is an entirely different issue than the government forcing volunteer work on children.

One is dealing with very real problems with poor parents.

One is attacking the civil liberties of a voiceless group of society.



SamuelRSmith on 13 April 2009

So, essentially, we both have the same ends (all children go to school), but we have different means.

Your means: force bad parents (which isn't an easy thing to measure) to become good parents through legal action and education.

Me means: force bad parents to send their kids to school.

They both have the same ends... my means are just far more effective and costs less to enforce.



largedarryl on 13 April 2009

Just wait, are we talking about the government forcing parents to do something to better their children or are we talking about the government forcing children to do something by removing the parents decision to decide?

Because 1 of them is okay, while the other one is wrong.



Gnizmo on 13 April 2009
MrBubbles said:

 

perhaps they might enjoy volunteering at a library or museum more.  its their choice where and even if they want to.

 You do understand what the term compulsory means don't you? It means this will not be volunteer work, and people will nto have a choice. It is forced labor. It can be forced labor in a nice location, but it is forced all the same.



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SamuelRSmith on 13 April 2009

I'm talking about one, you're talking about the other.

What you want is simply unrealistic, and, yeah, I'm going to say it, impossible. For this to work you would need to judge the parenting abilities of every parent in the country. This brings up two problems:

1 - Cost. Imagine how expensive it would be to judge the quality of every parent in the nation. Not only that, but you couldn't do it without constant monitoring of the parents, and so that would be an even bigger infringement of civil liberties.

2 - Lack of standardisation. What the person monitoring the parent considers to be bad parenting would be different from what another person classes a bad parenting. Unless the Government were to draw up a strict set of rules for parents, but, the old civil-liberties bells ring again.

And once we get over these two stumbling blocks, you then have to train these people who don't want to be there. What's more one of the huge judgements on whether a parent is good or bad would be whether they send the kids of school. The parent would go through the legal system and training for not sending their kid to school.

By doing it my way, we remove the two stumbling blocks and we get down to the same ends.



Kasz216 on 13 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
I'm talking about one, you're talking about the other.

What you want is simply unrealistic, and, yeah, I'm going to say it, impossible. For this to work you would need to judge the parenting abilities of every parent in the country. This brings up two problems:

1 - Cost. Imagine how expensive it would be to judge the quality of every parent in the nation. Not only that, but you couldn't do it without constant monitoring of the parents, and so that would be an even bigger infringement of civil liberties.

2 - Lack of standardisation. What the person monitoring the parent considers to be bad parenting would be different from what another person classes a bad parenting. Unless the Government were to draw up a strict set of rules for parents, but, the old civil-liberties bells ring again.

And once we get over these two stumbling blocks, you then have to train these people who don't want to be there. What's more one of the huge judgements on whether a parent is good or bad would be whether they send the kids of school. The parent would go through the legal system and training for not sending their kid to school.

By doing it my way, we remove the two stumbling blocks and we get down to the same ends.

In the US we have standardized tests.  If your kid is being homeschooled they must pass those standardized tests.

That is basically how we judge the parenting abilities of our parents.

 



SamuelRSmith on 13 April 2009

^That's judging teaching abilities of parents, not parenting abilities.



Viper1 on 13 April 2009
Strategyking92 said:
Viper1 said:
Auron said:
The terms compulsory and voluntary are used in referring to the same thing in this article........glad to be in the U.S.

Don't get too excited.  Obama wants the same thing.

 

Thsi is straight from his official website.

 

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."

 

 

He can't do that, it violates our civil rights.

The Patriot Act says hello.

 



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Strategyking92 on 13 April 2009
Viper1 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Viper1 said:
Auron said:
The terms compulsory and voluntary are used in referring to the same thing in this article........glad to be in the U.S.

Don't get too excited.  Obama wants the same thing.

 

Thsi is straight from his official website.

 

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."

 

 

He can't do that, it violates our civil rights.

The Patriot Act says hello.

 

well the patriot act can kiss my ass!

 



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