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Onyxmeth on 11 April 2009
Rath said:
Onyxmeth said:
Rath said:

 

In the birthing canal?

As I stated earlier I'm opposed to abortion after around 22-26 weeks because its around then that several important parts of the brain start to develop, including the thalamus.

@bolded: A child was born at 21 weeks and it breathed on it's own after leaving the birth canal. It's the earliest recorded birth. Do you feel abortion laws should reflect that, or not going that far, is it morally wrong to abort at 21 weeks because potentially the child could survive at that point?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11222-worlds-most-premature-baby-set-to-leave-hospital.html

 

I wasn't actually aware of that case, I'll honestly have to think for a bit on this one - you could be right that its wrong to abort something which has the potential to survive independently. Maybe even 22 weeks is slightly too late.

@Tyrannical. Exactly what I believe.

 

The way I see it, the potential is there so the laws should be changed to reflect that. If 21 weeks is possible then I feel the cutoff should be 20 weeks for voluntary abortion(not including medical necessity). That's still 4 1/2 months for any spineless wench to get rid of her responsibility, which is more than enough.

 



Tag: Became a freaking mod and a complete douche, coincidentally, at the same time.



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Tyrannical on 11 April 2009
Tyrannical: So, if the brain is not developed to a certain point, it should not be considered "human life"?
Rath said:

@Tyrannical. Exactly what I believe. 

 

 So, if either through brain damage, or severe mental retardation, if the brain is not functioning to a certain "level", we should not cosider those possesing such limited cognitive abilities "human life"?



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Nirvana_Nut85 on 11 April 2009

Well, I posted some pictures below, and I'm warning they are graphic. The reason for this is for some people here who are pro-choice and have not seen what an aborted baby looks like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Rath on 11 April 2009
Tyrannical said:
Tyrannical: So, if the brain is not developed to a certain point, it should not be considered "human life"?
Rath said:

@Tyrannical. Exactly what I believe. 

 

 So, if either through brain damage, or severe mental retardation, if the brain is not functioning to a certain "level", we should not cosider those possesing such limited cognitive abilities "human life"?

People with mental disabilites and limited cognitive abilities still have far more mental activity than a fetus at 26 weeks, they have the ability to sense, they have consciousness and they have awareness. They also have independence from any other body which is another thing to be taken into consideration. As such as far as I'm concerned they definately qualify as human life. Somebody in a permanent vegatative state or suffering from brain death on the other hand I would consider not to be a person anymore.

 

Edited my post because I think I got some of my information wrong in the original just in case you are wondering.



WessleWoggle on 11 April 2009
Tyrannical said:
Tyrannical: So, if the brain is not developed to a certain point, it should not be considered "human life"?
Rath said:

@Tyrannical. Exactly what I believe.

 

 So, if either through brain damage, or severe mental retardation, if the brain is not functioning to a certain "level", we should not cosider those possesing such limited cognitive abilities "human life"?

Well, I would still consider them human life, just not human conciousness.

Unfortunatly we can't measure what's going on in someones head enough to know what their conciousness is like, if it's on our level or not.



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Thatmax on 11 April 2009
wfz said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Tyrannical said:
If abortion is fine, why not infanticide? Whats a few more months?

“I think, therefore I am”

That's a very powerful sentience. When you think about it long enough, it makes you question life. I exist, only because I know I exist. The only thing that makes me human, is thought. Without it, I would be a collection of cells.

A fetus before brain function is a collection of cells. Thus, I feel it can be treated differently.

I will reverse the question, and see how pro-life people answer:

If a person is being held on life support, and no longer has brain functions, is pulling the plug murder?

 

 

You realize that your analogy is a bit off, right? The old person has nothing to look forward to and their life is at an end, while a fetus has great potential and an entire life in front of it.

 

Who said anything about an old person?? there is nothing stopping a child from getting into this situation.

I agree with Mafoo on this one.



WessleWoggle on 11 April 2009

@Nirvana_Nut85

Those pictures are gross. That's why we need to make nanobots that can instantly vaporize the fetus so it feels no pain during removal. :)



donathos on 11 April 2009
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Well, I posted some pictures below, and I'm warning they are graphic. The reason for this is for some people here who are pro-choice and have not seen what an aborted baby looks like.

[Pointlessly disgusting pics deleted.]

This reminds me a lot of PETA's tactics:  appeals to gross-out and knee-jerk emotion instead of reason.  Reason's the better way to go... if reason is on your side, that is.



donathos on 11 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
@Nirvana_Nut85

Those pictures are gross. That's why we need to make nanobots that can instantly vaporize the fetus so it feels no pain during removal. :)

Brilliant.  :)

 



WessleWoggle on 11 April 2009
donathos said:
WessleWoggle said:
@Nirvana_Nut85

Those pictures are gross. That's why we need to make nanobots that can instantly vaporize the fetus so it feels no pain during removal. :)

Brilliant.  :)

 

 

 

Nanobots are brilliant. Science is going to take us to great places if some douchebag doesn't blow us all up first.