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SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009
Bursche said:
SciFiBoy said:
@ Bursche

oh, ok, in which case, the mothers rights take precedence as the fetus is in the mother until its born, thats how i see it anyway, so as people said, its for the parents to decide (though i think its just upto the mother as shes the one having the child)

 

 So you are saying that the mother's right to privacy is more important than the fetus' right to life? Privacy is a right more treasured than life? I just want to know why you believe this.

 

its like this, i dont consider the fetus to be a person and have the same rights as me until its born, until then, the rights of the mother who has been born are more important imo, youre entitled to disagree, but you asked why.



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Rath on 10 April 2009

As far as I'm concerned for it to be a crime against humanity it has to be committed against humans, I do not consider a fetus human and as such I don't see it as a crime against humanity.



MrBubbles on 10 April 2009

its a crime against a human.



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Bursche on 10 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Bursche said:
SciFiBoy said:
@ Bursche

oh, ok, in which case, the mothers rights take precedence as the fetus is in the mother until its born, thats how i see it anyway, so as people said, its for the parents to decide (though i think its just upto the mother as shes the one having the child)

 

 So you are saying that the mother's right to privacy is more important than the fetus' right to life? Privacy is a right more treasured than life? I just want to know why you believe this.

 

its like this, i dont consider the fetus to be a person and have the same rights as me until its born, until then, the rights of the mother who has been born are more important imo, youre entitled to disagree, but you asked why.

Also @Rath: I just want to know your justification on why it's not a person? Like said before, after the 3rd trimester, it could be born and be able to survive on its own. So what makes it not human besides being inside, or outside of the uterine wall?

 



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Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
Rath said:
As far as I'm concerned for it to be a crime against humanity it has to be committed against humans, I do not consider a fetus human and as such I don't see it as a crime against humanity.

Just curious.... really never a human?

Like... even if a baby was being born via 9 months of development if you stuck a knife in there and stabbed it in the head it wouldn't be a crime so long as it's head doesn't pop out first?

That seems... oddly arbitrary.



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SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009
Bursche said:

Also @Rath: I just want to know your justification on why it's not a person? Like said before, after the 3rd trimester, it could be born and be able to survive on its own. So what makes it not human besides being inside, or outside of the uterine wall?

 

 

as long as the uterine wall, i consider the mothers rights more important, once its out however, its a human child and i would not sanction killing it at all

also to clarify here, no-one is Pro-Abortion in the sense of saying everyone should do it or use it as contraception, people feel that if people do get pregnant and dont want the baby, the should have the right to an abortion, obviously i think we should encourage people who dont want a child to try not to get pregnant via contraception and the like, but if that contraception dosent work or the woman is raped, etc, then the woman should have the right to an abortion if they feel they want one.



Rath on 10 April 2009

I should have been more clear, I don't consider a fetus to be a person early in its development. Its not until its brain starts properly developing that I consider it to be a person. This is around about 25-26 weeks so I think abortion is fine up until around 22 weeks, between 22 and 25 weeks is a bit murky for me and after 25 weeks I'm against it as I think the fetus is too developed.
I think what makes a person is his/her brain, until that has started developing all it is to me is a clump of cells.



Dr.KennethNoisewater on 10 April 2009

haha wow Pro lifers grasping at straws. Come one people if the people didn't want the baby, how good of a life do you think the child will have?



Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
Rath said:
I should have been more clear, I don't consider a fetus to be a person early in its development. Its not until its brain starts properly developing that I consider it to be a person. This is around about 25-26 weeks so I think abortion is fine up until around 22 weeks, between 22 and 25 weeks is a bit murky for me and after 25 weeks I'm against it as I think the fetus is too developed.
I think what makes a person is his/her brain, until that has started developing all it is to me is a clump of cells.

So it's not brainwaves for you... but when the brain reaches a certain level of maturity.

 

 



Rath on 10 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
I should have been more clear, I don't consider a fetus to be a person early in its development. Its not until its brain starts properly developing that I consider it to be a person. This is around about 25-26 weeks so I think abortion is fine up until around 22 weeks, between 22 and 25 weeks is a bit murky for me and after 25 weeks I'm against it as I think the fetus is too developed.
I think what makes a person is his/her brain, until that has started developing all it is to me is a clump of cells.

So it's not brainwaves for you... but when the brain reaches a certain level of maturity.

 

 

Yep