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Auron said:
Kasz216 said:

Depends on the Healthcare and the country.

In the US for example the government is supposed to protect 3 main rights.

Life, Liberty and Property.


Healthcare falls under both Life and Happiness. (not the pursuit)


Healthcare that perserves Life is a right.

Elective healthcare is happiness... and not the pursuit of it.

So.... Heart surgery = Right.
Plastic Surgery = Not a Right.

Furthermore how it is paid for is an issue. Since Progressive taxation would be a violation of "Liberty".

As Liberty should include everyone being treated as equals.

 

Corrected, it is a common misconception that i thought as well until i took Constitutional Law.

Yeah i know it's property.  I like pursuit of happiness more.  Sue me. 

 



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_taxation

this should help people understand a little better



SciFiBoy said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_taxation

this should help people understand a little better

Not really... I mean none of that explains why national healthcare couldn't be paid under a flat tax.  Just gives arguements to why people would perfer a flat tax.

 

Which all basically get trumped by the first reason against it in my mind..

"It has been argued that progressive taxation violates the principle of equality under the law.[21]"

Progressive taxation (to a point) makes sense economically... but it's a violation of equality. 

I believe everyone should be treated equally.  Even those more successful to me.

 



Progressive taxation is a great system! :D



Kasz216 said:

Depends on the Healthcare and the country.

In the US for example the government is supposed to protect 3 main rights.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Healthcare falls under both Life and Happiness. (not the pursuit)


Healthcare that perserves Life is a right.

Elective healthcare is happiness... and not the pursuit of it.

So.... Heart surgery = Right.
Plastic Surgery = Not a Right.

Furthermore how it is paid for is an issue. Since Progressive taxation would be a violation of "Liberty".

As Liberty should include everyone being treated as equals.

this, but some plastic surgery like a nose job help with breathing.

and lets face it some people self steem would get a boost from it.

 

 



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its a left.

lol j/k. its a right.



 

 

 

 

Jo21 said:
Kasz216 said:

Depends on the Healthcare and the country.

In the US for example the government is supposed to protect 3 main rights.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Healthcare falls under both Life and Happiness. (not the pursuit)


Healthcare that perserves Life is a right.

Elective healthcare is happiness... and not the pursuit of it.

So.... Heart surgery = Right.
Plastic Surgery = Not a Right.

Furthermore how it is paid for is an issue. Since Progressive taxation would be a violation of "Liberty".

As Liberty should include everyone being treated as equals.

this, but some plastic surgery like a nose job help with breathing.

and lets face it some people self steem would get a boost from it.

Oh i agree about the breathing and disfigurations and stuff....

as for the self esteem stuff.  That's way too much variable to judge in my opinion.

Allow self esteem plastic surgery and you end up like the UK where people are pressured to give it.

 



Jo21 said:
Kasz216 said:

Depends on the Healthcare and the country.

In the US for example the government is supposed to protect 3 main rights.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Healthcare falls under both Life and Happiness. (not the pursuit)


Healthcare that perserves Life is a right.

Elective healthcare is happiness... and not the pursuit of it.

So.... Heart surgery = Right.
Plastic Surgery = Not a Right.

Furthermore how it is paid for is an issue. Since Progressive taxation would be a violation of "Liberty".

As Liberty should include everyone being treated as equals.

this, but some plastic surgery like a nose job help with breathing.

and lets face it some people self steem would get a boost from it.

A friend of mine got a nose job for some collapsing nasal passages that would stop her from breathing.

Outside of that, I don't think we should pay for any elective surgery.  I also think we should stop paying for circumcisions.  If people want to somehow legally mutilate their children with a non-life-saving elective permanent surgery without their consent, they should at least pay for it out of their own pocket.  And if you want to cut off part of your own penis after the age of 18, I say GO FOR IT.



Yeah I don't get the frequency of circumcision in the US. Just teach your kids to clean their weenies .



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Moongoddess256 said:
Yeah I don't get the frequency of circumcision in the US. Just teach your kids to clean their weenies .

The frequency has been decreasing for decades, but I still don't get the legality.  It's illegal to cut off just about any other part of your baby.  It seems the only exceptions are the umbilical cord, hair, fingernails, toenails, and ... the sensitive tip of the penis with thousands of nerve endings, which supplies a gliding process to protect both the penis and the vagina during intercourse?  Doesn't make a lick of sense, especially since Congress made circumcising girls illegal in 1994.  At that point it's like cutting off an ear or a finger.