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Kasz216 on 11 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
Yes, but this wouldn't be done at a national level. It won't be counted separately, all votes will go in one big pot. So, in essence, you will get some countries with an overwhelming "no", and some with an overwhelming "yes", but it doesn't matter, as the Lisbon treaty is a Europe wide thing.

You don't hold a referendum in the UK, which gets a "Yes" vote, then rejected because the "No" vote came from a very concentrated area.

You're also forgetting that not every one voted "No" in Ireland - it was a 53.4% victory. And the turnout was 53.1%. Around a quarter of the Irish electorate put a stop on a matter that effected around 700 million people.

That effected 700 million people becoming united however.  Not 700 million united people.

If the rest of the EU wanted to move without Ireland it should be fine.  However with Ireland... they are still an independent state.

For example.  During 1776.  The 13 colonies all needed to agree to rebel vs the UK for the matter to be decided.  Had one state decided not to.... they would have to have went without that state or not rebelled.

States should retain their independent rights until they decide not to.



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SamuelRSmith on 11 April 2009

One of the things that the Lisbon Treaty introduced was the idea that one nation can no longer veto something like this. The Lisbon treaty was that step towards becoming more unified.

What essentially happened is that every nation said it was prepared to give up that right, but they can't because just over 1 in 4 Irish people didn't want to.

Just under 1 in 4 Irish people did want to. And just under 1 in 2 Irish people didn't care enough to vote on the matter.

Can you at least understand where I'm coming from? I can certainly understand your point, but I just don't agree.



Kasz216 on 11 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
One of the things that the Lisbon Treaty introduced was the idea that one nation can no longer veto something like this. The Lisbon treaty was that step towards becoming more unified.

What essentially happened is that every nation said it was prepared to give up that right, but they can't because just over 1 in 4 Irish people didn't want to.

Just under 1 in 4 Irish people did want to. And just under 1 in 2 Irish people didn't care enough to vote on the matter.

Can you at least understand where I'm coming from? I can certainly understand your point, but I just don't agree.

No.  I mean i understand what your saying... but it's still no different from forcibly initating a country into the power structure.  Since as you yourself just stated... that was part of the Lisbon treaty.

Until such a law is in effect it's no different then the example i stated above.  Or if a north american council tried to force cuba into it.

 



BladeOfGod on 11 April 2009

Does it matter which one has more money EU or USA(government)?? They are both most haterd things in the world and money ain't gonna change that.


PS: I live in EU



SamuelRSmith on 11 April 2009

^When you have money and military power... who cares?



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BladeOfGod on 11 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
^When you have money and military power... who cares?

 

 

How is it knowing that you are not welcome in almost any other country because of your government?



SamuelRSmith on 11 April 2009

^I've been to multiple countries, including Muslim  countries, and I've been treated with respect and have got on well with the locals.



BladeOfGod on 12 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:

^I've been to multiple countries, including Muslim  countries, and I've been treated with respect and have got on well with the locals.


where you from?

786_ali on 12 April 2009
BladeOfGod said:
SamuelRSmith said:

^I've been to multiple countries, including Muslim  countries, and I've been treated with respect and have got on well with the locals.

 

where you from?

You are an example of the paranoia which has set into many countries, you seem to think that everybody outside the EU and/or America is a terrorist or is out to get you and will eat you alive. It's nothing like that. Sure, there is anger in many countries about America's foreign policies but people also understand that every country has good and bad people. They realise that if Bush was crazy and lauched unnecessary wars it doesn't mean that everybody in America is a madman, so it's time you guys realise that and differentiate between the good and bad otherwise you're getting no where.

 



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BladeOfGod on 16 April 2009
786_ali said:
BladeOfGod said:
SamuelRSmith said:

^I've been to multiple countries, including Muslim  countries, and I've been treated with respect and have got on well with the locals.

 

where you from?

You are an example of the paranoia which has set into many countries, you seem to think that everybody outside the EU and/or America is a terrorist or is out to get you and will eat you alive. It's nothing like that. Sure, there is anger in many countries about America's foreign policies but people also understand that every country has good and bad people. They realise that if Bush was crazy and lauched unnecessary wars it doesn't mean that everybody in America is a madman, so it's time you guys realise that and differentiate between the good and bad otherwise you're getting no where.

 

No, i don't think that everybody outside EU and USA are terorists. I just met a lot of muslim people and they dont like americans/western europeans a lot. And why would i be paranoid??? My country never had any problem with muslim countries.