I get the feeling people think Capitalists are cold heartless bastards. We are not. We care about all people as much as Socialists do, we just find our approach better for all involved. Here is an example of something smaller, that should illustrate my point.

I used to work an a restaurant when I was going through school. This was a large place, with good high quality food. In the state it was in when I worked there, they probably brought in 3 million a year gross. This restaurant was also part of a big chain. I am not sure the exact amount, but let's say the owner wanted to spend a total of 10% gross for his managers. In my restaurant, we had 5. One general, and 4 assistants.

The way the system was setup, is the general made a lot more then the rest. He made 140k, while the other for made 40k (for a total of 300k, or 10%). Also, General managers in this chain were only recruited from within. The deal was, everyone had to take the 40k a year job, and work harder then the rest to get the 140k a year job. It was setup that way on purpose, so the managers would work harder so they could get the really high paying job.

Now, a socialist would think, “if all 5 people were doing the same basic job, pay them all the same”. Why pay the GM so much more then the rest. The reason is output. If there was no reward for busting your ass, people would not do it. If they all made 60K, why work hard enough to become GM's.

Here's the real problem... if they were not working so hard to get that job, the quality of the work they did do would be less. If those 5 did not work hard at hiring the right people, buying the best food, building the right marketing campaigns, filling in for cooks or wait staff because they were short, making sure the bathrooms were clean, greeting customers to make sure there experience was tip notch, and so on, the business would have suffered. If they were not working so hard, the restaurant might have only brought in 1.5 million a year.

If the owner is only paying 10% of gross for there salaries, and now business has dropped to half because the restaurant is not what it used to be, he can only afford to pay each manager 30K a year.

So while they are now all “fair” by a socialists standards, every one of them loses income. Not only do they make less, any chance of becoming the guy who makes a lot is gone. There future is set.

These are the reasons Capitalists feel the poor are much better off in a capitalistic society, then a socialistic one. It has nothing to do with not liking the poor, and everything to do with wanting more for them.

are you talking capitalism as in free market? or capitalism as in corporate state.

We are not a free market, we are far from it. We are closer to being a corporate state than anything. Deals run this country.

The way it is supposed to work is that consumers support the business who then hire people and pay them, and those workers are then able to support families and support those businesses.
The problem is that the consumers are supporting the businesses, who then demand lower minimum wage reductions and do not pay for insurance. The extra money either goes back into the company to stay competitive or to politicians to secure special deals. The worker gets paid less and less and cannot support his family quite so much. Instead of supporting those companies, he supports smaller cheaper companies, whose bosses then go and support those big companies.

nope, sorry no sale, do keep trying though, youre begining to sound desperate

Nice rebuttal. Filled with so much information.

i tired using information, you never addressed most of my ideas, you ignored them infact, just like the OP here ignores almost every issue, well done, perhaps in your world politics is as simplistic as milkshake or coca cola, in the real world, theres alot more to it than that

I addressed your issues, just like ever conservative, liberal, moderate. We all are telling you the same thing.

If the world is against you, maybe it's you.

Socialism - Good on Paper, Not in Reality...
An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had failed very few students but had, once, failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "Ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism."
"All grades will be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade meaning, obviously, no one will receive an A." They all agreed to this. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a C. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.
But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.
The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great dismay the professor failed them all. Then he sent all of them this note: "A socialistic government will also ultimately fail - because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed."

SciFiBoy, I could understand you disagreeing a lot with Mafoo, but you're flamebaiting. Have you ever lived in a largely socialist country for an extended amount of time and felt life in one for yourself? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with either system, but since you live in the United Kingdom (a capitalist country), I'm going to assume that you don't know what you're talking about.

im in favour of Socialised Healthcare and Education (we have this in the UK and both are popular with Liberals and some moderates) and Proggressive Taxation (many liberals are in favour of aswell)

how is the world against me on these issues?

no-one, not even you addressed these ideas, you just focused on the Utopia i suggested (which is fine, its my personal dream, but its irelevant to my political ideas, the fact you focused on it, tells me you have no rebuttal to my actual ideas)

Flamebiat? you mean unlike all the times he and others have posted flamebait towards me and you didnt care...

in the UK we have socialised Healthcare and Education, the taxation and regulation systems are capitalist, so we have elements of both, so its natural that people here either advocate going all the way to one or the other system or staying as we are.