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nightsurge on 14 April 2009
MGS4COD4HALO3 said:
Tell me then why does it look just as good or even better when a game is develope for the PS3 as a lead platiform. For an example, let say deadspace lead platform was the ps3. PS3 and 360 looks exactly the same. For those that think the 360 would of looked way better if they would of use the 360 as the lead platform then I'll give you another example. Take Madden 09. The lead platiform was the PS3. I looks better then Madden 08 on the 360 and the 08 lead platform was 360. Please explain.

Ok I will.  You see, Madden 09, is the sequel to Madden 08.  It is natural to expect the sequel to be better looking than the previous game.  So Madden 09 on the PS3 is obviously gonna look better than Madden 08 on the 360.

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Viper1 on 14 April 2009

Ascended_Saiyan3, the CELL BE will best the Core i7 at certain tasks but so too will the Core i7 best the CELL BE at certain tasks.

This isn't a difficult concept to understand. For example, why are there no PC's with CELL BE's as their CPU? The simple answer is they are not designed to operate in that manner and would not perform PC tasks close to the level of any modern desktop CPU.



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Laffer on 14 April 2009

One of the interesting points about this "Actual" Developper is, that he worked for Guitar Hero... This make me laugh, that such a Guy gives his opinion on the Power of a PS3 compared to XBOX360. Guitar Hero runs smoothly on a PS2 at 300 MHz, of course in PAL resolution, but the graphics of GH are really nothing compared to Killzone2...

His opinion has not more value than a piece of used toiletpaper.



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MGS4COD4HALO3 on 14 April 2009
nightsurge said:
MGS4COD4HALO3 said:
Tell me then why does it look just as good or even better when a game is develope for the PS3 as a lead platiform. For an example, let say deadspace lead platform was the ps3. PS3 and 360 looks exactly the same. For those that think the 360 would of looked way better if they would of use the 360 as the lead platform then I'll give you another example. Take Madden 09. The lead platiform was the PS3. I looks better then Madden 08 on the 360 and the 08 lead platform was 360. Please explain.

Ok I will.  You see, Madden 09, is the sequel to Madden 08.  It is natural to expect the sequel to be better looking than the previous game.  So Madden 09 on the PS3 is obviously gonna look better than Madden 08 on the 360.

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Well Madden 08 looked pretty much the same as Madden 07 on the 360 and Madden 08 on the PS3 is not even up to par with Madden 08 on the 360.  One more question.  

Why is he they only developer saying that the 360 is more poweful then the PS3? 

 



Ascended_Saiyan3 on 14 April 2009
Viper1 said:
Ascended_Saiyan3, the CELL BE will best the Core i7 at certain tasks but so too will the Core i7 best the CELL BE at certain tasks.

This isn't a difficult concept to understand. For example, why are there no PC's with CELL BE's as their CPU? The simple answer is they are not designed to operate in that manner and would not perform PC tasks close to the level of any modern desktop CPU.

Who said the Cell would beat the Core i7 at ALL tasks?  It wasn't me, so why are you trying to portray this as such?

BTW, their are no PCs with Cell as their MAIN CPU because of a number of factors.  FIRST, it's hard as hell to break into the PC market.  SECONDLY, NONE of the current code was written with the Cell's architecture in mind.  I explained this with an example before.  Did you just miss that post or something?  It's not that far back.

 



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Ascended_Saiyan3 on 14 April 2009
nightsurge said:
The Core i7 is still a better CPU at what it does best. I really don't want to waste my time digging up a bunch of links to prove it to you. If you are so desperate to think the Cell is better than an i7, go do a thorough search of i7 vs. Cell comparisons. They are completely different CPU's designed for completely different things and really can't be compared in the way you are attempting.

Why are YOU so desperate to think the i7 is better than the Cell?  Also, you CAN'T dig up any links on these two processoring in a comparison test or you would have done so.

 



nightsurge on 14 April 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
nightsurge said:
The Core i7 is still a better CPU at what it does best. I really don't want to waste my time digging up a bunch of links to prove it to you. If you are so desperate to think the Cell is better than an i7, go do a thorough search of i7 vs. Cell comparisons. They are completely different CPU's designed for completely different things and really can't be compared in the way you are attempting.

Why are YOU so desperate to think the i7 is better than the Cell?  Also, you CAN'T dig up any links on these two processoring in a comparison test or you would have done so.

 

I'm not trying because I don't care so much... unlike you.  Notice I didn't say the i7 is better than the Cell.  I said it does SOME THINGS better than the Cell and the Cell does SOME THINGS better than the i7.

If I were like you I'd spend hours to form a response and prove you wrong, but I have better things to do than find evidence of a claim I already know is true.

 



nightsurge on 14 April 2009
MGS4COD4HALO3 said:
nightsurge said:
MGS4COD4HALO3 said:
Tell me then why does it look just as good or even better when a game is develope for the PS3 as a lead platiform. For an example, let say deadspace lead platform was the ps3. PS3 and 360 looks exactly the same. For those that think the 360 would of looked way better if they would of use the 360 as the lead platform then I'll give you another example. Take Madden 09. The lead platiform was the PS3. I looks better then Madden 08 on the 360 and the 08 lead platform was 360. Please explain.

Ok I will.  You see, Madden 09, is the sequel to Madden 08.  It is natural to expect the sequel to be better looking than the previous game.  So Madden 09 on the PS3 is obviously gonna look better than Madden 08 on the 360.

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Well Madden 08 looked pretty much the same as Madden 07 on the 360 and Madden 08 on the PS3 is not even up to par with Madden 08 on the 360.  One more question.  

Why is he they only developer saying that the 360 is more poweful then the PS3? 

 

He is not saying the 360 is more powerful.  He is saying the PS3 ISN'T more powerful and that they are equal.  Many developers share this opinion, not just this one guy.  Even the developers of the Cell and the Xenon processors say that the consoles' overall power are equal.

 



Viper1 on 14 April 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Viper1 said:
Ascended_Saiyan3, the CELL BE will best the Core i7 at certain tasks but so too will the Core i7 best the CELL BE at certain tasks.

This isn't a difficult concept to understand. For example, why are there no PC's with CELL BE's as their CPU? The simple answer is they are not designed to operate in that manner and would not perform PC tasks close to the level of any modern desktop CPU.

Who said the Cell would beat the Core i7 at ALL tasks?  It wasn't me, so why are you trying to portray this as such?

BTW, their are no PCs with Cell as their MAIN CPU because of a number of factors.  FIRST, it's hard as hell to break into the PC market.  SECONDLY, NONE of the current code was written with the Cell's architecture in mind.  I explained this with an example before.  Did you just miss that post or something?  It's not that far back.

 

  Intel's Core i7 965 XE is probably not near equal to Cell.  This would seem to put the Cell at a decent amount of performance above Intel's current implementation.

^That is why I posted.   This statement, whether intended to or not, suggests CELL BE supremacy above Core 17 in all respects and not just in the specialized tasks the CELL BE was developed for.



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dahuman on 14 April 2009
Viper1 said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Viper1 said:
Ascended_Saiyan3, the CELL BE will best the Core i7 at certain tasks but so too will the Core i7 best the CELL BE at certain tasks.

This isn't a difficult concept to understand. For example, why are there no PC's with CELL BE's as their CPU? The simple answer is they are not designed to operate in that manner and would not perform PC tasks close to the level of any modern desktop CPU.

Who said the Cell would beat the Core i7 at ALL tasks?  It wasn't me, so why are you trying to portray this as such?

BTW, their are no PCs with Cell as their MAIN CPU because of a number of factors.  FIRST, it's hard as hell to break into the PC market.  SECONDLY, NONE of the current code was written with the Cell's architecture in mind.  I explained this with an example before.  Did you just miss that post or something?  It's not that far back.

 

  Intel's Core i7 965 XE is probably not near equal to Cell.  This would seem to put the Cell at a decent amount of performance above Intel's current implementation.

^That is why I posted.   This statement, whether intended to or not, suggests CELL BE supremacy above Core 17 in all respects and not just in the specialized tasks the CELL BE was developed for.

The sad thing is modern video cards can kick the crap out of the PS3 if you compare FLOPS only, yet they are for very different things, which means the whole comparison justifys absolutely nothing. An AMD 4870x2 card by itself does 2.4 teraFLOPS vs PS3's entire 2, it doesn't mean it's better than the Cell, all your arguments mean nothing because they all have different instruction sets meant for different purposes.