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mrstickball said:
SciFiBoy said:
mrstickball said:
SciFiBoy - I've been to heaven before.

I've prayed for people for very specific things (supernatural healing from medically-certifiable broken bones) and had them heal instantaneously, with medical proof of their existence, and subsequent healing.

I've talked to God, and He's talked back to me, and told me very specific things to do that were far outside the realm of situational possibilities, with very incredible outcomes.

Let me ask you this question....If God told you to call a specific place restaurant 8,000 miles away from your home, and ask for your missing daughter...And she was there, would you consider that to be a random act of chance, or something a little bit more otherworldly?

it's called a coincidence, it's not proof of anything

I Watch A Football Game On TV, I Ask The TV To Let My Team Score, Sure Enough They Do, Straight Away, Does That Mean That My TV Is A God?

Whats more likely, your team scoring once in a 90 minute game, or calling 1 restaurant out of millions, in another country even, and randomly finding your missing daughter in that restaurant?

 

it's still a coincidence

millions for an example, ok: I Pick The Lottery Numbers That My Cousin Suggests, I Win The Lottery (1 in 50 million or something chance) Does That Mean My Cousin is God?



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The lottery is a predictable event. Someone will always win, and at specific times.

This was a totally different type of indecent - the man had no knowledge of where his daughter was, and was told to call a place in China (the man lived in the US), at a very specific restaurant, and ask for his daughter.

Not only do you have the odds of calling a specific restaurant - 1 in 1,000,000, but the odds of his daughter being at this specific restaurant, at this specific time. Do you know how much higher those odds are?

It's about as likely as you giving the coordinates to an astronomer to look for 10th planet thousands of AU away, describing the atmospheric composition, and being 100% correct on all accounts. Big difference between that and winning the lotto.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

mrstickball said:
The_vagabond7 said:

 

Spacing helps, FYI.

Your referring to predestination. Yes, 5-point Calvinists believe in that, but the Muslim faith believed it much earlier in history than when the Calvinist movement started....Calvinism has been around for under 300 years, while Islam has been around for over 1,300.

As for the question of God revealing himself to everyone: We (Christians, at least) believe that God revealed himself to us through Jesus Christ. Of course, he got murdered for claiming that, and there are many people out there that love disproving that Jesus didn't even exist, despite the evidence to the contrary. Christians believe that the source of the issue of why God doesn't magically come out of the clouds has to do with our rejection of God, and the fact that God is bound by laws that we've rejected, and thrown in his face.

Otherwise, I agree with a lot of your later statements. Man is intrinsicly evil, and uses whatever he can for his own gain. The difference is that Christians, at least, seek to curb that evil and make the person better, by following the example of Christ - the perfect man. Few can argue that if everyone had the morality and value system of the NT Christ, the world would be a worse place.

sorry, my firefox with no script tends to shove everything together. I fixed it.

That doesn't actually answer any questions though. If a person earnestly seeks god for over twenty years, does so in numerous branches of christianity, judaism, islam, eastern religions, spends more than twenty years praying to be shown truth, and be shown nothing except that religions are bunk, and the holy books even bunkier (if that's a word). If god "wants" people in his life and yet refuses to reveal himself to the majority of the world, and the people he doesn't reveal himself to are going to be punished for his hiding, what does that say about the man? I mean do you really believe that only the people who are now christians were actually seeking god? And you don't think it's fishy that the people seeking him all seem to share geographic location? I guess the people of bosnia could care less about religious truth, and don't think too much about it. They only found allah.

 

I don't think man is intrinsically evil, I think that is a terrible view. I think man is intrisically flawed for the world we are trying to create. We aren't built to create massive, peaceful world civilizations. It is genetically built into our brains through millions of years of survival to form groups, procreate, grab as much as we can for status and pleasure, and conquer other groups. But I think we inherently also have the ability for kindness and empathy, genetically we are pre-disposed towards good things too. Our biggest advantage is our ability to understand this, to look inside ourselves something the vast majority of animals are incapable of. Our self awareness grants us the ability to resist and overcome our xenophobic, us vs them mentality, and our desire for status, power and to be the alpha in our pack. The world we are trying to live in now is not the savage world we grew up in, but we still retain the same tribal, and often animal mentalities that got us this far. But I do not see this as "evil" though, no more than I see a wolf that preys on a wounded lamb as being "evil". But the difference between us and the wolf, is that we no longer need to prey on the weak in order to survive.

 



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mrstickball said:
The lottery is a predictable event. Someone will always win, and at specific times.

This was a totally different type of indecent - the man had no knowledge of where his daughter was, and was told to call a place in China (the man lived in the US), at a very specific restaurant, and ask for his daughter.

Not only do you have the odds of calling a specific restaurant - 1 in 1,000,000, but the odds of his daughter being at this specific restaurant, at this specific time. Do you know how much higher those odds are?

It's about as likely as you giving the coordinates to an astronomer to look for 10th planet thousands of AU away, describing the atmospheric composition, and being 100% correct on all accounts. Big difference between that and winning the lotto.

 

like i said coincidence, it proves nothing

something being unlikely does not make it divine intervention



mrstickball said:
The lottery is a predictable event. Someone will always win, and at specific times.

This was a totally different type of indecent - the man had no knowledge of where his daughter was, and was told to call a place in China (the man lived in the US), at a very specific restaurant, and ask for his daughter.

Not only do you have the odds of calling a specific restaurant - 1 in 1,000,000, but the odds of his daughter being at this specific restaurant, at this specific time. Do you know how much higher those odds are?

It's about as likely as you giving the coordinates to an astronomer to look for 10th planet thousands of AU away, describing the atmospheric composition, and being 100% correct on all accounts. Big difference between that and winning the lotto.

 

Slight correction, the lottery isn't predictable, somebody doesn't always win at a specific time. Something like the local Powerball just goes on and on until somebody wins. The pot grows as more people play and the odds of winning are millions to one. Sooner or later somebody wins, but mathematically it's ridiculously unlikely that a person can win. What's funny, is they always show the winner, and the winner always claims it's god. Unlikely but fortunate things are always attributed to god by those that believe in him.



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mrstickball said:
The lottery is a predictable event. Someone will always win, and at specific times.

This was a totally different type of indecent - the man had no knowledge of where his daughter was, and was told to call a place in China (the man lived in the US), at a very specific restaurant, and ask for his daughter.

Not only do you have the odds of calling a specific restaurant - 1 in 1,000,000, but the odds of his daughter being at this specific restaurant, at this specific time. Do you know how much higher those odds are?

It's about as likely as you giving the coordinates to an astronomer to look for 10th planet thousands of AU away, describing the atmospheric composition, and being 100% correct on all accounts. Big difference between that and winning the lotto.

And that's an interesting story, but do you think that hindu people simply have none of those stories? Do you think that just as many ridiculous things haven't happened in the name of Vishnu? Are those just coincedences? Every religion has an assload of miracle stories, even scientologists. Tom Cruise claims he has healed his own illnesses with the power of his mind. Coincedence? Or the work of a high level thetan?

 



You can find me on facebook as Markus Van Rijn, if you friend me just mention you're from VGchartz and who you are here.

The_vagabond7 said:
mrstickball said:
The lottery is a predictable event. Someone will always win, and at specific times.

This was a totally different type of indecent - the man had no knowledge of where his daughter was, and was told to call a place in China (the man lived in the US), at a very specific restaurant, and ask for his daughter.

Not only do you have the odds of calling a specific restaurant - 1 in 1,000,000, but the odds of his daughter being at this specific restaurant, at this specific time. Do you know how much higher those odds are?

It's about as likely as you giving the coordinates to an astronomer to look for 10th planet thousands of AU away, describing the atmospheric composition, and being 100% correct on all accounts. Big difference between that and winning the lotto.

And that's an interesting story, but do you think that hindu people simply have none of those stories? Do you think that just as many ridiculous things haven't happened in the name of Vishnu? Are those just coincedences? Every religion has an assload of miracle stories, even scientologists. Tom Cruise claims he has healed his own illnesses with the power of his mind. Coincedence? Or the work of a high level thetan?

 

 

The fact that I healed my stomach ache with the power of my ass
doesn't make me a scientologist.



SciFiBoy said:
mrstickball said:
The lottery is a predictable event. Someone will always win, and at specific times.

This was a totally different type of indecent - the man had no knowledge of where his daughter was, and was told to call a place in China (the man lived in the US), at a very specific restaurant, and ask for his daughter.

Not only do you have the odds of calling a specific restaurant - 1 in 1,000,000, but the odds of his daughter being at this specific restaurant, at this specific time. Do you know how much higher those odds are?

It's about as likely as you giving the coordinates to an astronomer to look for 10th planet thousands of AU away, describing the atmospheric composition, and being 100% correct on all accounts. Big difference between that and winning the lotto.

 

like i said coincidence, it proves nothing

something being unlikely does not make it divine intervention

Yup, coincidence. Proves nothing. Sorry. Well, no, I'm not.

 



 

 

im_sneaky said:
SciFiBoy said:
mrstickball said:
The lottery is a predictable event. Someone will always win, and at specific times.

This was a totally different type of indecent - the man had no knowledge of where his daughter was, and was told to call a place in China (the man lived in the US), at a very specific restaurant, and ask for his daughter.

Not only do you have the odds of calling a specific restaurant - 1 in 1,000,000, but the odds of his daughter being at this specific restaurant, at this specific time. Do you know how much higher those odds are?

It's about as likely as you giving the coordinates to an astronomer to look for 10th planet thousands of AU away, describing the atmospheric composition, and being 100% correct on all accounts. Big difference between that and winning the lotto.

 

like i said coincidence, it proves nothing

something being unlikely does not make it divine intervention

Yup, coincidence. Proves nothing. Sorry. Well, no, I'm not.

 

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a coincidental event is not proof of anything, other than coincidence, we know coincidences happen.

 



Christians should all give up god and buy an ice-cream.