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CaseyDDR on 07 April 2009
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:

Too bad that those EULA:s don't matter/they matter only in USA. Where I live it is perfectly legal to make a backup copy of your game.

 

edit:

Dude, what do you know about my track record with ds? Stop insulting me, now.

You live in the UK, yeah? You can find the EULA for the entire European Union in the back of any instruction manual under copyright information.

As to your edit:

That's not an insult, it's an observation. I don't believe for a moment that you spent over two grand on DS games whereby you could add them to your "current" collection.

No, I live in Finland and I know a bit of local law. EULA is not valid at least in Finland. Out of curiosity, do you have a moral problem with using an image of a game you own?

 

That is an insult, I don't care what you believe.

 

 

Who cares if you are offended, you are a pirate, you've admitted it before. If you have spent all that money, its not had to take a picture and prove it. And yes, it is against the EULA in your region to copy games like that. You should do a bit more research before claiming you know anything besides stealing.



The Halo francise is the most overrated bland game to ever hit the console market. It provides a bad name to all FPS that even showed effort at creating an original entertaining plot.

I probably have more ps3 games than you :/ 

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Khuutra on 07 April 2009
Esa-Petteri said:

You don't get it. :) There has been some cases where EULA:s have been declared invalid where I live. There is a thing called "fair use" of your copy of digital media. It does not matter what they print in EULA, local law outweighs it.

Let me make sure I'm getting this right.

What you are trying to say is that local law - Finnish law, no less - protects you from copyright, as outlined in an EULA catering specifically to your region.

So what the Hell is Kai Puolamäki doing with his time?



Esa-Petteri on 07 April 2009
Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:

You don't get it. :) There has been some cases where EULA:s have been declared invalid where I live. There is a thing called "fair use" of your copy of digital media. It does not matter what they print in EULA, local law outweighs it.

Let me make sure I'm getting this right.

What you are trying to say is that local law - Finnish law, no less - protects you from copyright, as outlined in an EULA catering specifically to your region.

So what the Hell is Kai Puolamäki doing with his time?

EULA does not define copyright, local law does. Kai Puolamäki is one of the people in EFFI, who are defending customers rights. ;P

 

 

 



Khuutra on 07 April 2009
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:

You don't get it. :) There has been some cases where EULA:s have been declared invalid where I live. There is a thing called "fair use" of your copy of digital media. It does not matter what they print in EULA, local law outweighs it.

Let me make sure I'm getting this right.

What you are trying to say is that local law - Finnish law, no less - protects you from copyright, as outlined in an EULA catering specifically to your region.

So what the Hell is Kai Puolamäki doing with his time?

EULA does not define copyright, local law does. Kai Puolamäki is one of the people in EFFI, who are defending customers rights. ;P

You don't follow me.

I am sayig that an EULA is defined by copyright law. Any EULA has to pass inspection under the laws of your area, otherwise it ends up being challenged. That's why familiarizing yourself with the EULA is a good thing - it gives you an idea of what yoru legal boundaries are.



mightymek on 07 April 2009

I like some games on my DS (Mario's, GTA, Wario), but I definitely like my PSP more. My fave games, and ones I recommend are: God Of War, Infected, Tekken: Resurrection, Resistance: Retribution, Call Of Duty, Shaun White Snowboarding, and the GTA games. It's almost PS2 graphics on the go, good games...can't go wrong!



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Esa-Petteri on 07 April 2009
CaseyDDR said:

Who cares if you are offended, you are a pirate, you've admitted it before. If you have spent all that money, its not had to take a picture and prove it. And yes, it is against the EULA in your region to copy games like that. You should do a bit more research before claiming you know anything besides stealing.

Reported.

 



Esa-Petteri on 07 April 2009
Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:

 

 

You don't follow me.

I am sayig that an EULA is defined by copyright law. Any EULA has to pass inspection under the laws of your area, otherwise it ends up being challenged. That's why familiarizing yourself with the EULA is a good thing - it gives you an idea of what yoru legal boundaries are.

That is not true. I am not familiar with the US law, there it might be the case. As I said earlier, those EULA:s have been challanged in court and they were declared invalid. It is the local law which allows you to make a copy for yourself (and even share it with your friend) of your cd/game. However that does not apply to all computer software.



Khuutra on 07 April 2009
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:

You don't follow me.

I am sayig that an EULA is defined by copyright law. Any EULA has to pass inspection under the laws of your area, otherwise it ends up being challenged. That's why familiarizing yourself with the EULA is a good thing - it gives you an idea of what yoru legal boundaries are.

That is not true. I am not familiar with the US law, there it might be the case. As I said earlier, those EULA:s have been challanged in court and they were declared invalid. It is the local law which allows you to make a copy for yourself (and even share it with your friend) of your cd/game. However that does not apply to all computer software.

Really now! How very interesting. Please, enlighten me: if no EULA is valid in Finland (or the EU at large, I would assume, but we'll work on the Finland level right now) would you mind citing a case in which it is established that it is legal to make copies of the images of your games in your area? I would be most interested.



Esa-Petteri on 07 April 2009
Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:

You don't follow me.

I am sayig that an EULA is defined by copyright law. Any EULA has to pass inspection under the laws of your area, otherwise it ends up being challenged. That's why familiarizing yourself with the EULA is a good thing - it gives you an idea of what yoru legal boundaries are.

That is not true. I am not familiar with the US law, there it might be the case. As I said earlier, those EULA:s have been challanged in court and they were declared invalid. It is the local law which allows you to make a copy for yourself (and even share it with your friend) of your cd/game. However that does not apply to all computer software.

Really now! How very interesting. Please, enlighten me: if no EULA is valid in Finland (or the EU at large, I would assume, but we'll work on the Finland level right now) would you mind citing a case in which it is established that it is legal to make copies of the images of your games in your area? I would be most interested.

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1961/19610404

 

There is the Finnish copyright law, have fun reading it. I don't have links for those cases ready and you would now understand them anyway. :)

http://www.minedu.fi/OPM/Tekijaenoikeus/tekijaenoikeuden_perusteita/tekijanoikeudesta_kysyttya/yksityinen_kopiointi.html

 

There is a short summary.

 

"Laillisesti hankitusta tietokoneohjelmasta saa kuitenkin valmistaa sellaiset kappaleet, jotka ovat tarpeen ohjelman käyttämiseksi aiottuun tarkoitukseen. Myös ohjelman käytön kannalta tarpeellisen varmuuskappaleen saa tehdä."

Run that through some translator and you will get the idea.

 

edit:

oh well

 

"You can make a copy from legally acquired computer program if it is needed to run the software for its intended purpose. You can also make a backup copy of the program, if it is necessary."

 

That is just for programs(which require a licence), games are considered just as movies/music. For movies/music, it is

"You can make a few copies for personal use, if the copying can be done without braking an efficient copy protection" That efficient copy protection is currently being decided at court. (CSS, i think).

 


And before someone starts flaming, this is about running a ps1 which you own on psp. :)

 



Khuutra on 07 April 2009

Esa

You speak English

How hard would it be for you to paraphrase it for me, I mean honestly, I'm sure it would be a lot closer than what Google gives me.