WraithPriest said:
Nah, not me then. I have my PC and my Wii. I plan on getting a 360 long enough to complete Resi5 though.
Ah well, nice to meet you :P |
lol,
you still get legend status for doing what you did
WraithPriest said:
Nah, not me then. I have my PC and my Wii. I plan on getting a 360 long enough to complete Resi5 though.
Ah well, nice to meet you :P |
lol,
you still get legend status for doing what you did
| Kasz216 said: That arguement seems a bit specious. To a lot of religious faiths the presense of god is in of itself a sense. As such it would be like trying to explain vision to a blind person... even scientifically it'd be hard to get. Some people have infact suggested that such a percetion, whether there is a god or not is tied to the temporal lobes. Whether it is a sense of a higher consiousness, a sense of something else we currently can't understand or simply a hallucinary feeling is unknown.
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Hmm... so, "god exists because some people feel it to be true"?
Can we also suppose that atheists have a "sense" like vision, that leads them to their conclusions? If so, then how can we tell between those who "sense god" and those who "sense no god"? Which is right about the universe?
I suspect it would lead right back to the normal forms of empirical evidence.
And besides, assuming that this magical sixth sense (or would it be a seventh sense? I guess depends on one's other metaphysical beliefs) exists, surely there are some who feel it in various religions.
So, using that sense, can we tell if we should be worshipping Yahweh, Zeus or fill-in-the-blank deity?
Kasz216 said:
That arguement seems a bit specious. To a lot of religious faiths the presense of god is in of itself a sense. As such it would be like trying to explain vision to a blind person... even scientifically it'd be hard to get. Some people have infact suggested that such a percetion, whether there is a god or not is tied to the temporal lobes. Whether it is a sense of a higher consiousness, a sense of something else we currently can't understand or simply a hallucinary feeling is unknown.
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No.
Just No.
The main difference being that humans have organs to see with, which even if faulty are DEMONSTRATABLY there.
There is no "God Sense" the closest thing theyve found is that certain harmonics such as those produced by church organs can produce "Holy Sensations"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3087674.stm
So that must mean God is a soundwave!
Now please come back with some actual evidence for got. Not Psuedo-Scientific rambling or a claim that "God could BE IN the soundwave".
I respect your post count, but not that post.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. Every question I ask you is a trick. You will find no truth in me."
WraithPriests PC:GamingChartzFTW said:
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So that's where that south park joke came from, ha. Thanks for that, I hadn't seen it before.
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WraithPriest said:
No.
Just No.
The main difference being that humans have organs to see with, which even if faulty are DEMONSTRATABLY there. There is no "God Sense" the closest thing theyve found is that certain harmonics such as those produced by church organs can produce "Holy Sensations" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3087674.stm So that must mean God is a soundwave!
Now please come back with some actual evidence for got. Not Psuedo-Scientific rambling or a claim that "God could BE IN the soundwave". I respect your post count, but not that post. |
One
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml
Note that in cases of eplipsy it increased the "feeling of not being alone." Due to increased activation in the temporal lobe. Note brain damage also causes actual senses to go into "overdrive" or just to cause hallucinations.
Two. How do you demonstrate sound to someone who can't hear?
The closest you can do is either have a measure of sound waves via a "crowd meter" or some sort... that doesn't really demonstrate sound to the person just "something" since no matter how much someone "understands" sound a deaf person still isn't going to understand it because they aren't going to know what it "sounds" like.

Kasz216 said:
One http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml Note that in cases of eplipsy it increased the "feeling of not being alone." Due to increased activation in the temporal lobe. Note brain damage also causes actual senses to go into "overdrive". Two. How do you demonstrate sound to someone who can't hear? The closest you can do is either have a measure of sound waves via a "crowd meter" or some sort... that doesn't really demonstrate sound to the person just "something" since no matter how much someone "understands" sound a deaf person still isn't going to understand it because they aren't going to know what it "sounds" like.
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So God could in fact be caused by incorrectly wired sysnapses or brain damage? Hardly good for his CV I'd imagine :D
Also I'd say the best way i could think of to demonstrate sound to someone would be to use a large speaker that could be turned up enough for the vibration to show. Then i'd explain to them via text and lip reading what sound is, what sounwaves actually are, how the vibration is picked up by the ear, sent to the brain and decoded in a normal humans mind.
Then I'd allow them to use feathers, paper, plastic sheets etc to measure soundwave density and the effects of sound on those things.
Basically i'd explain, then demonstrate and then allow them to test and verify the theories themselves. Something no one seems to be able to do with and Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent God.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. Every question I ask you is a trick. You will find no truth in me."
WraithPriests PC:| highwaystar101 said: Now... prove it to me, otherwise the atheists win the thread. |
I just now caught this, kind of sad you think of this as a competition.
But if you are that desperate for someone to explain their reasoning, I guess I could do mine:
1. The history of it all. it did happen, it's been proven.
2. The big bang theory contradicts itself, I believe.
3. Personal experiences.
4. it feels good to believe in something higher than you.
5. The origins of christianity pretty much cement my beliefs. (various things such as why would the disciples lie?)
6. Hasn't failed me yet.
Also I guess prejudice against christianity also strengthens my faith, to a degree. This won't convince you, but you can do nothing to convince me.
We are both stuck in our ways.
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WraithPriest said:
So God could in fact be caused by incorrectly wired sysnapses or brain damage? Hardly good for his CV I'd imagine :D
Also I'd say the best way i could think of to demonstrate sound to someone would be to use a large speaker that could be turned up enough for the vibration to show. Then i'd explain to them via text and lip reading what sound is, what sounwaves actually are, how the vibration is picked up by the ear, sent to the brain and decoded in a normal humans mind.
Then I'd allow them to use feathers, paper, plastic sheets etc to measure soundwave density and the effects of sound on those things.
Basically i'd explain, then demonstrate and then allow them to test and verify the theories themselves. Something no one seems to be able to do with and Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent God. |
It could be. Though it could be simply how a 6th sense works etc.. There are all sorts of theories though right now.
None of that actually explains sound though. Not sound waves.
Much how someone can explain the 4th dimension... yet nobody could actually understand the 4th dimension because people don't have 4th dimension processing powers.
All you'd see no matter how hard you tried is an average 3D object even if it is a 4th dimensional object.
Amusingly the books like flatland explains the point pretty well... for those particular sects.

Kasz216 said:
It could be. Though it could be simply how a 6th sense works etc.. There are all sorts of theories though right now. None of that actually explains sound though. Not sound waves. Much how someone can explain the 4th dimension... yet nobody could actually understand the 4th dimension because people don't have 4th dimension processing powers. All you'd see no matter how hard you tried is an average 3D object even if it is a 4th dimensional object. Amusingly the books like flatland explains the point pretty well... for those particular sects. |
I think youll find it does, to a degree that both a deaf person could understand and witness and to a hearing person as well.
And I think you'll find we DO have a 4th dimensional sense or are you never aware of the passage of time? Our 4th dimensional sense is commonly called "circadian rythm", which is entirely based upon the turning of the planet during its revolution around the sun. This can only take place due to the passage of time which is why our internal clocks can be so accurate.
EDIT - I can think of one example (of hundreds such examples) of a 4 dimensional object that we could obverse the 4th dimension acting upon.
Take a peach, over the course of 2 weeks you could observe the 4th dimension (Time) at work as it rotted away.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. Every question I ask you is a trick. You will find no truth in me."
WraithPriests PC:| highwaystar101 said: OK, for all you believers in god who are intent on asking atheists to back up why they don't believe in god let me ask you a question...
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While I could try to give an argument based on physics (notwithstanding, the objections of sqrl), I would like to ask you to prove to me your senses work. If you can't, you're effectively the same as the evidence-lacking religious person.
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