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Sqrl on 02 April 2009
Quickdraw McGraw said:
Sqrl said:

It is a different outlook on their world, their life, and their country.  Most conservatives cringe when someone implies (intentionally or not) that the government has ownership of the people and not the other way around.  That isn't the whole picture but pretty much everything else follows logically from there if you give it some thought.

I see what you're getting at.
However, the way I worded it was intentional, as I was referring to economic systems, not our government (or any, for that matter), in general. If that is all my post communicated to you, then it failed miserably.

Past that, by stating that "most conservatives cringe when someone implies that the government has ownership of the people and not the other way around", you are effectively implying that liberals, and anyone in between, would not take offense to that same principle. A bigger government, economically, does not equate into less freedom. But that's another discussion entirely.

 

Implication by omission is fraught with pitfalls of assumption.   Your assumption is that the only response that is not a cringe is agreement, but there are many levels of agreement and disagreement both. 

For simplification let me just say that if I want to say that all liberals think the government owns everyone I will come right out and say it explicitly.  I won't bother with an implication.
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Quickdraw McGraw on 02 April 2009
Sqrl said:

Implication by omission is fraught with pitfalls of assumption.   Your assumption is that the only response that is not a cringe is agreement, but there are many levels of agreement and disagreement both. 

For simplification let me just say that if I want to say that all liberals think the government owns everyone I will come right out and say it explicitly.  I won't bother with an implication.

Fair enough. The omission denoted a negative connotation to me, I apologize for the assumption.

 



SciFiBoy on 13 April 2009

sounds like niave right wing stupidity to me, the whole point of democracy is that people have different views, take that away, and you get dictatorship, it also seems to be nationalistic, which is bad, not all muslim nations are evil you know.