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Tyrannical said:
Moongoddess256 said:

Can you even go to rehab for pot? Considering that it isn't dehabilitating in the first place. To those of you who think it is, your opinion only matters if you've ever tried it. Otherwise you're just gullible and eating up propaganda like candy.

Theres no reason why the govt should just screw over the people they think have a problem giving them REAL problems, rather than the victimless crime they were committing in the first place.

Compared to living on the streets and not having food, drugs aren't even close to being a significant problem unless you are a heroin, meth, or crack addict.

 

 

 

 

Pot can certainly be addictive. Ask a daily smoker how much it sucks to be out.

So can sex, cheeze whiz, masturbation, and video games.  Should we make those illegal?

Show me one scientific study that presents legitimate evidence that marijuana is physically addictive.  I'll be particularly impressed if you find one that says it is more addictive than alcohol or cigarettes.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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Onyxmeth said:
Tyrannical said:
Onyxmeth said:
Tyrannical said:

 

Addictions can be physical, mental, or a combination of both.

Gnizmo is pointing out that marijuana itself is not addictive. The psychological addiction one has for marijuana comes from yourself, not the plant. It's the same thing as a video game or televesion addiction or anything else on this beautiful planet.

 

 

 Well, few things that we consider addictive are physicaly addictive. Gambling isn't physicaly addictive, and I don't think nicotine is either.

Gambling is not, but I believe nicotine is actually physically addictive. Don't quote me on that though.

 

Yes, nicotine is highly physically addictive.  Gambling is not physically addictive.  Physically addictive requires that the activity introduce some kind of chemical into your body that typically triggers your dopamine "reward" circuits.  Gambling can have an effect on those circuits, but its completely psychological and based on the individual person rather than some inherent quality about gambling.  Gambling is no more physically addictive than video games.

Nicotine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

Modern research shows that nicotine acts on the brain to produce a number of effects. Specifically, its addictive nature has been found to show that nicotine activates reward pathways—the circuitry within the brain that regulates feelings of pleasure and euphoria.[22]

Dopamine is one of the key neurotransmitters actively involved in the brain. Research shows that by increasing the levels of dopamine within the reward circuits in the brain, nicotine acts as a chemical with intense addictive qualities. In many studies it has been shown to be more addictive than cocaine and heroin, though chronic treatment has an opposite effect on reward thresholds[citation needed].

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

I say test them! Drugs should only be an option for hard-working Americans like me!!

*hits joint*

Oh, yeeeeaaaaaaah.



Tyrannical said: 

Addictions can be physical, mental, or a combination of both.

 No it can't actually. A true addiction must involve a physical dependency. Thats the way addiction is defined. Anything else is simply a mental issue and treated extremely differently.



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I atleast trust wikipedia for definitions of common words.

 

The term "addiction" is used in many contexts to describe an obsession, compulsion, or excessive physical dependence or psychological dependence, such as: drug addiction, video game addiction, crime, alcoholism, compulsive overeating, problem gambling, computer addiction, pornography addiction, etc.

In medical terminology, an addiction is a state in which the body relies on a substance for normal functioning and develops physical dependence, as in drug addiction. When the drug or substance on which someone is dependent is suddenly removed, it will cause withdrawal, a characteristic set of signs and symptoms. Addiction is generally associated with increased drug tolerance. In physiological terms, addiction is not necessarily associated with substance abuse since this form of addiction can result from using medication as prescribed by a doctor.

However, common usage of the term addiction has spread to include psychological dependence. In this context, the term is used in drug addiction and substance abuse problems, but also refers to behaviors that are not generally recognized by the medical community as problems of addiction, such as compulsive overeating.

The term addiction is also sometimes applied to compulsions that are not substance-related, such as problem gambling and computer addiction. In these kinds of common usages, the term addiction is used to describe a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences to the individual's health, mental state or social life.



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As has been said countless times, Wikipedia is simply wrong on this. Common usage is different, but that doesn't change what a true addiction is. The two concepts are as different as night and day to people who actually deal with adiction. Without a physical component there is no addiction. Disagree if you like, but I have an army ofdcotrs tha say I am right.



Starcraft 2 ID: Gnizmo 229

Gnizmo said:
As has been said countless times, Wikipedia is simply wrong on this. Common usage is different, but that doesn't change what a true addiction is. The two concepts are as different as night and day to people who actually deal with adiction. Without a physical component there is no addiction. Disagree if you like, but I have an army ofdcotrs tha say I am right.

QFT. 

If we were to ban everything that is "addictive", we would have to ban food too, and television, and video games, and sex, and masturbation.  Basing your argument on the fact that something is psychologically addictive is about the dumbest argument you could make to be against something.

If its not physically addictive, its no more addictive than anything else without a physically addictive component to it.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

I fully agree with this, they should test people on welfare for drugs.



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"Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed" - Gandhi

the best solution is and has always been:
Legalize and regulate, have the gov grow or make whatever and then sell it and tax it. Bye bye deficit



Abso freaking lutely. I would personally ditch welfare to be honest.