Which is why I think we should look for a cure.

I may have made up the gay hitler remark about Pim Fortuyn, I'm not sure. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he was referred to as that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn

I really don't think there is a cure unless we can reprogram a person's mind somehow. It would really be going into unethical territory to try to change something like that. Then we might start to see us trying to change people's minds to manipulate all sorts of different interests and personality traits. Perhaps we can program a mind to never question authority or to work excessively on one subject matter without need for breaks. Or perhaps program a mind at birth to fulfill positions in society that are needed and them be "happy" to do so regardless of what the person's natural personality progression would have been before the reprogram.   Not only would this be forcing an identity on the child but taking away the right of the family to raise it truly as their own.

I really don't think people would be willing to go that route.

I'm not even sure it is something that could even be reprogrammed.  that would be implying that it is environmentally based.  I'm not sure it is.  I've seen really really young kids who it was obvious that they would turn out to be homosexual and they do.

There is even some evidence to the suggestion that everyone is really bi and that we are trained to shift primarily one way or another through our upbringing.  Men are showered with masculine expectations and through interaction with other guys establish a barrier with women and wonder about the other side.  They are expected to fulfill a strong role and as such are drawn to more fragile forms which is what the girls are traditionally expected to take on.  When those roles are not strongly emphasized or when memories or events happen in such a way through either perfectionism, extreme intelligence, confidence issues, or egotism, are they more susceptible to being homosexual?

And if that were the case, is it right for us to force our children into a particular mentality out of fear that they might grow in a way that we would deem inappropriate, however harmless if treated with similar moral expectations?  Would it be just for us to force every child to be raised the same way taking away the freedoms from the families and the right of the child itself to find its own place in life?  Would this kill the beautifully wide spectrum of possibilities that make life so interesting?

But then it could also be a mutation in the DNA.  Something that "could" be considered a natural progression, but I don't know enough about DNA sequencing to know if it can be altered successfully and at what risks.

Homosexuals have a hormonal and chemical imbalance in the brain, and that would be the cause of homosexual tendencies in most cases. The cure would to restore these chemicals to the proper level. That's the same way most mental illnesses are treated such as depression or bi-polar. Brain chemistry out of whack, drugs are perscribed to fix that.

This is not brain washing / deprogramming, and is not related to the rest of your mind control train of thought. It's just making the abnormal normal.

The everyone is Bi I think is from Sigmund Freud, who was later found to be quite the fraud. Probably more then a bit batty upstairs too.

hm. If that is the case, then while we may see hormonal and chemical levels in homosexuals that do not necessarily match those of heterosexuals, this could simply be a result of the fact, not the cause. I suppose there wouldn't be a way to know for sure unless they did correct what they suspect to be the difference and see if it has an effect. And while some may disagree with past views or even the possible views that I have mentioned here, it is quite possible, as I just pointed out, that the currently accepted view may not be accurate and that the other views hold much more validity but were just not properly understood.

Most of the time when theories are written off it is because they may be too broad or too specific and not accounting for every instance, so when you see an instance that seems to contradict on the surface, you assume that the theory is discredited even if it has substantial implications in various situations outside the supposed contradiction. However, if the original theory were kept in portion or perhaps modified to accommodate the contradiction or perhaps dissected to locate the truths and then redefine to internally account for the contradiction which may even uncover the overall truth of the matter, then we may quicker discover the source of the situation in question or may at least have several different levels at which to approach the topic.

Homosexuals will not allow homosexuality to be scientificaly examined as a mental illness anymore.

It's the same level of stubbornness that caused the AIDS epidemic in this country. I find it either ironic or as proof of wide spread mental illness that "protecting the civil rights" of AIDS sufferers instead of preventing the spread sentenced so many gay men to die.

Have you thought about why it spreads so fast in the gay community rather than amongst heterosexuals even though heterosexuals are also susceptible?

There are more factors at work in the spread of HIV than simply a person being homosexual.

I do think though that we should continue to examine anything that we do not fully understand, not that we should look at homosexuality as an illness, but rather what determines a person as homosexual, heterosexual, or bi is something that would be good to know and if we can adjust just that one part of a person, then a person can choose for themselves if they want to adjust it.

 Yes, I made the mistake of asking my highschool biology teacher that question years ago. I wish I never heard the answer.

haha. yeah. But not just that. It has to do with the low percentage of people who are homosexual and what position they hold in society.

Lets see if I can make this short (probably not). A kid grows up and starts to have feelings. Parents find out and try to change the child or make the child leave their home. Friends might also shun the child. (granted some of this is extreme but sometimes it doesn't take much) The child then runs to others like them for acceptance. Even if the child only feels slight discomfort, they still might go find others like them because everyone likes to feel accepted by someone and to make sense of who they are as a person. Since they can't figure this stuff out with friends and at home, this leads them to clubs, bars, and internet sites or to friends who introduce them to the clubs, bars, and internet sites. When they go to these places to learn and explore they come across others who used to be treated the same way but are much older. These are those who have already accepted this "way" of life.

Let me define the "way" a bit more. Older people seeking out young fresh faces. They look for innocent people to help so that they can add another mark on their list. But why? Because someone did it to them, when they were also young.  and because of the uncontrollable harmonal and immoral qualities that this environment engraves within them. These new faces then are taken advantage of again and again, but at least they feel accepted and liked, which is why they came. They looked to be loved and make friends and they got both in the harshest forms. By the time the child who was anywhere from 15 to 18, sometimes younger, when this began to the time they are 25, they will probably have slept with 20 or 25 people, maybe a little more, maybe a little less.

But why so many? Part of the reason is because of what I just mentioned, but it is also because they have no role models. They run away from religion because they think it rejects them. They run away from their parents because their parents have rejected them, or perhaps they are rebelling from what their parents stand for which is something that teens do at times, but they are doing it in the wrong places and in the wrong ways due to the reasons mentioned above. But they don't know any better. They are just kids. Learning and figuring themselves out. Some may even hide it as to not upset their parents.

Another reason that it is easy to go from one person to another in a vast community where sex is a focus is that there are so many homosexuals in one location. First, why is sex a focus? Because everyone made it that way. Homosexuals are treated for the difference they represent to the heterosexual and religious majority, sex driven and immoral, so the community is focused as such. How do you distinguish if someone is homosexual in the mind of a heterosexual? By their act of sex. Now back to why are there so many in one location? Because they are all pushed away from their families, friends, and society and into these locations which are breading grounds for HIV and other diseases. Their first relationship was most likely someone taking advantage of them and them having sex within a couple of days of knowing that person. The next as well. Eventually they become accustomed to making quick relationships and don't allow time for a long lasting relationship to develop. Nor do they have to, since marriage is not an option. They can just pack up their suitcase and go sleep with the next week's flavor simply because they found a flaw in the last. No thought of, "could I spend my life with this person." So they don't, they just sleep with more people and more and more, looking for the person to complete them just as every person does in life but they do so through a newly learned method that reaps no reward. It is hard enough to find someone to match yourself in the world for heterosexuals without these ill trained psychologies, but when you take pairs of people who are accustomed to quick relationships, it is near impossible.

Now factor in the fact that there aren't as many homosexuals as heterosexuals and you can see why HIV spreads so rapidly in the homosexual community. Also, with males specifically, it is easier for them to become sex addicts.

To make matters worse, society dumps every unwanted part of it into the "gay" community. They bundle in with them nymphomaniacs, S&M, pedophiles, transvestites, etc. So it isn't just about homosexuality anymore, but anything that isn't considered "normal." Society pretends not to look at them and hopes that they go away. I would go as far as to say it is one of the accepted underbellies of society and many parents force their children into it. A parent has a 16yr old who is gay and doesn't know what to do with him/her but wants to at least "try" to be a parent. The kid gets a boyfriend/girlfriend who is 27 or older and the parent brushes it off as "oh my child can't help it, they are just gay and I should support them." Or friends hide the fact that the child is dating a much older person. All the while the 27yr old is most likely one of the ones who is taking advantage of the 16yr old or using them to gain status amongst their friends.

This society is also heavy into all kinds of drugs where these kids get introduced at a very early age through this same method. There is a LOT more going wrong than a simple mental disorder. This is a whole cultural issue that is destroying self esteem, personalities, lives, etc.  I didn't edit this for clarity, but I'm sure you got the points.

This has absolutely nothing to do with XBox Live.  He was repeatedly insulted just for being gay, at work, in person and via e-mail, and the management let it slide.  If that is true, that's reasonable grounds for a lawsuit.

No I did not make it up.

Mood disorders, anxiety disorders, depression, suicide attempts?  Those are all caused by the stress of having your whole town telling you you're a worthless sinful piece of shit who deserves to die and burn in hell forever, and your parents not loving you but instead kicking you out of your house.  Also, it's pretty interesting how the suicide attempts are higher in gay men than in straight men, straight women, or gay women, considering how we live in a society that celebrates lesbianism and demonizes male homosexuality.

So you support the U.S. military's firing of Arabic translators for being homosexual?

More and more militaries around the world are allowing homosexuals in and discovering that they're very capable, stable, smart, and strong soldiers, even better than the unqualified criminals and dropouts the U.S. military currently prefers.

Oh come on, you HAVE to provide a link if you're gonna say something that ridiculous. You'd rather believe that the APA has declassified homosexuality as a mental illness for over 30 years as part of a political agenda to support gay rights at the expense of covering up the mental instability of millions of Americans?  I doubt that would even be possible.  If millions and millions of gays in America were ALL hormonally/chemically imbalanced, don't you think we'd know by now?  Please give me a source for this information.  I'd love to read it and see if it explains itself or not.

 Yes,

and it also would not be the first time a group of medical professionals have been forced to make changes for politcal reasons either. The American Association on Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities once was.

I would think the AIDS/Gay rights protestors and thier over the top antics would hint at other forms of mental illness also.