Health care is a right. If you get a disease, you deserve to be treated. The end. Lines have to be drawn somewhere, but health care is a right. The end.

No, I a man who worked as a buss boy when I was 18, sometimes living off of nothing more then 20 dollars a month for food.

I now live a very good lifestyle (porsche 911 convertible, 2300 sqft home on 14 acres, boat, etc..), all because I applied myself, worked my way through school, and worked harder then the next guy at every job I have had. I still work 50 hours a week (10 on my own time).

I never took anything from anyone, including government assistance.

You misunderstood me. I meant the private costs. I am in agreement with you on this one.

Health care is not a right. If you get a disease, you need to be responsible for yourself. The end. Lines have to be drawn somewhere, but health care is not a right. The end.

most people on minimum wage work 37-50 hours a week, so no you didnt/dont work harder than most people, lots of people do well at school, not all get well paid jobs, some want jobs that dont pay well like nursing, so no you are not superior than the rest of us, you just think you are cause your paid more now

^ Please let's not go there. It's too personal and completely subjective how hard Mafoo works or used to work. If you want to debate whether people making 100k actually work that much harder/more than those making 30k, great, but keep it general or it's going to be completely unconstructive for many reasons.

yes, because anyone who cant afford private healthcare has the knowledge to treat themselves, oh wait they dont, so without healthcare they get ill, then they cant work, then jobs arent done, then rich people cant have nice things as theres no one to make them, no mansion for you mafoo, you refused to keep the people who could build it alive, enjoy living on the decrepit streets that have no one to maintain them

the people who work hardest are often the lowest paid, nurses in the NHS earn only about 20-30k a year, work 40 hours or so a week and help make peoples lives better, thats much better and harder work than a CEO of a bank whos only concern is making money and earns 260k a year

SciFiBoy said: coolestguyever said: SciFiBoy said: use Progressive Taxation to raise more money, then make a NHS in the US, afterall healthcare is a basic human right   Progressive taxation: Punishing people for working hard - rewarding the poor   wrong, statistics show someone on the average wage works the same hours as someone in a multi-million dollar hedge fund

The number of hours one works is not the sole determiner of how "hard" someone works.  And yes, progressive taxation is a dis-incentive to working harder, how could it NOT be?

Broncos724 said: SciFiBoy said: coolestguyever said: SciFiBoy said: use Progressive Taxation to raise more money, then make a NHS in the US, afterall healthcare is a basic human right   Progressive taxation: Punishing people for working hard - rewarding the poor   wrong, statistics show someone on the average wage works the same hours as someone in a multi-million dollar hedge fund   The number of hours one works is not the sole determiner of how "hard" someone works.  And yes, progressive taxation is a dis-incentive to working harder, how could it NOT be?

because a banker who earns 500k a year and failed there employer works alot harder than a nurse on 20-30k year who makes people feel better, somehow i dont think so, progressive taxation is fair as you pay what you can afford to pay rather than making the poor pay more than 600k a year financial sector workers