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akuma587 on 22 March 2009
TheRealMafoo said:

I am not a Republican, I am a Libertarian. I didn't like Bush much either, but his faults were not to try and change what this country stands for, his faults was he was just an idiot.

Presidents come and go. The purpose of our constitution, is to make sure we are not ruled by men, but ruled by law. The person in the office is of little concern to me. What the office stands for is.

Bush did not try to change what the constitution meant, he just tried to manipulate the hell out of it for his own good. Trying to break the rules is what all powerful men will do (why we need the constitution), just going and changing the rules however, is very dangerous (what Obama is doing).

Do you even know what test the Supreme Court uses to determine if a piece of legislation is constitutional that is not directly in conflict with the Constitution?  You claim to be an expert on the Constitution, but all you do is throw around the word that this is or isn't constitutional.  And what provision of the Constitution do Obama's policies conflict with?  Point it out to me, the specific section of the Constitution you claim he is violating.

And you are wrong that Bush did not do anything unconstitutional.  The Supreme Court said his detention policies were unconstitutional:

Justices say Bush went too far at Guantanamo

5-3 ruling says military trials would violate U.S. law, Geneva Conventions

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13592908/

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that President Bush overstepped his authority in ordering military war crimes trials for Guantanamo Bay detainees.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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TheRealMafoo on 22 March 2009
MontanaHatchet said:

And Mafoo, I don't care about the Bush hate threads mainly because no one really cares about Bush. Your threads, on the other hand, are often nothing more than aggressive flamebait (time after time). You even said "welcome to the new dictatorship," and you're claiming that I'm the biased one?

 

Flame bait?

I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based.

I think what Obama is going to do to the US over the next 4 years might be the worst thing we have seen in my lifetime. The times are are now going through, and the way Government is trying to solve it, is the most important issue in my life today. You think I should just sit back and say nothing because a lot of people like him?

As for you posting biased stuff, I don't mind anyone speaking there opinion, please continue. The only thing I would take issue with is if you found a thread not to your likeing, yet perfectly in line with site rules, and locked it. As long as your personal opinion does not effect how you moderate, say whatever you like :).



MontanaHatchet on 22 March 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
MontanaHatchet said:

And Mafoo, I don't care about the Bush hate threads mainly because no one really cares about Bush. Your threads, on the other hand, are often nothing more than aggressive flamebait (time after time). You even said "welcome to the new dictatorship," and you're claiming that I'm the biased one?

 

Flame bait?

I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based.

I think what Obama is going to do to the US over the next 4 years might be the worst thing we have seen in my lifetime. The times are are now going through, and the way Government is trying to solve it, is the most important issue in my life today. You think I should just sit back and say nothing because a lot of people like him?

As for you posting biased stuff, I don't mind anyone speaking there opinion, please continue. The only thing I would take issue with is if you found a thread not to your likeing, yet perfectly in line with site rules, and locked it. As long as your personal opinion does not effect how you moderate, say whatever you like :).

It's not the articles themselves, but your comments that would usually stir up anger from the posters. In case you couldn't tell, I'm no longer a moderator, but I still care about the quality of the site. And sometimes I go a little overboard in making sure that people don't get into huge arguments, flame each other, etc. Usually I ignored anti-Bush or anti-McCain threads more because the site has more liberal users and as such, there wouldn't be as many flame wars or insults thrown around. That said, some of the conservative users have been very aggressive in their opinions and it can't be justified.

Obama is making some crummy decisions, and I'll be watching his actions closely as well. I have no idea where you're getting some of your more exaggerated ideas, but most of them are sound.

 



 

 

akuma587 on 22 March 2009
TheRealMafoo said:

 

Flame bait?

I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based.

Your thread on the front page:

Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had.

Here is what you said:

Ok, I get that we have different ideologies, and feel that government should play a different role in people's lives. I also realize that does not make one person smarter than the other, just different.

But, this is unbelievable. I think it's obvious that the root cause of our current finical problems is the government incentivizing and guaranteeing loans that banks would otherwise not give. If the government had not stepped in and basically bribed banks to give subprime loans, we would not be in this mess.

Obama knows this. We all know this.

So why would anyone in their right mind think it's a good idea to do it again?

Then you throw out a link to an article which you have not even discussed in the least.  You didn't post any contents from that article or tell anyone what the article was even about.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Nirvana_Nut85 on 22 March 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
MontanaHatchet said:

And Mafoo, I don't care about the Bush hate threads mainly because no one really cares about Bush. Your threads, on the other hand, are often nothing more than aggressive flamebait (time after time). You even said "welcome to the new dictatorship," and you're claiming that I'm the biased one?

 

Flame bait?

I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based.

I think what Obama is going to do to the US over the next 4 years might be the worst thing we have seen in my lifetime. The times are are now going through, and the way Government is trying to solve it, is the most important issue in my life today. You think I should just sit back and say nothing because a lot of people like him?

As for you posting biased stuff, I don't mind anyone speaking there opinion, please continue. The only thing I would take issue with is if you found a thread not to your likeing, yet perfectly in line with site rules, and locked it. As long as your personal opinion does not effect how you moderate, say whatever you like :).

There's your problem, your taking the mainstream news as credible,lol. While I do agree with you in the direction that Obama is taking the U.S in, you have to realize that he is just a puppet like the previous presidents before him. (last good president was Kennedy and we all know what happened to him). The people who need to be exposed are the one's who are pulling his strings, not the puppet himself.

 



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TheRealMafoo on 22 March 2009
MontanaHatchet said:

Again, you're missing my point. These are only suggestons of things that would be more productive than complaining on Vgchartz's off topic section, not things he should actually do. I

 

Thank you for offering ways to improve my ability to make a difference.

However, I live in a very small town. If I ran for office, I would have very little influence. If I had to say who in the US has the most influence around the world, it would probably be Oprah Winfrey.

If I can post some thought provoking articles on a site thousands read, and demonstrate how Obama might not be the man people hear about in the media, I would have a far bigger impact then if I ran for Mayor of my small town.



kabhold on 22 March 2009
MontanaHatchet said:
kabhold said:
MontanaHatchet said:
kabhold said:
TheRealMafoo said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Alright, whose idea was it to bring back the political flamebait fad? I thought this died back in 2008 but I guess some people love to get attention.

TheRealMafoo, you will continue to be wrong over and over, and it's only a matter of time until someone comes in here and points out just how wrong you are (as always). If you hate Obama and his "dictatorship" so much, why not actually do something productive about it? Move to another country, or even run for public office. But no, you have to make threads complaining about his policies on Vgchartz. What are you hoping to accomplish? Bait some other videogame enthusiasts into another tired political debate?

These sorts of threads definitely make Off Topic more interesting, but not necessarily better.

 

Odd, never saw you post this kind of thing with all the Bush hate threads. You have been on my ass with almost every Obama post. If you don't like them, don't read them.

And Akuma, this article is not just talking about Wall Street. It's talking about Wall Street, ALL BANKS, and possibly other companies.

And can you please link me an article that say's conservatives are for the government limiting executive pay of private companies, regardless of there financial situation?

Montana's bold-  That's unfair and unpatriotic...  If you don't like it shut up or get out.  That's backwards thinking.  Disgusting.

RealMafoo bold- Ya I agree.  He's the Democrat's rock star.  People adore this man.  But I understand, If it was Ron Paul I would feel the same way.

As for the topic... at a glance I hate it.  But I need to read more for a legitimate response.  I'll be back.

 

Unfair? Unpatriotic? Disgusting? Backwards thinking? I get it, you like to label everything. I was just providing examples of things that would be more productive than complaining on a videogames forum. And you didn't seem to have any problems with my idea of Mafoo running for public office, so you basically just cherry picked that one suggestion (of only two) to insult me. And Mafoo, I don't care about the Bush hate threads mainly because no one really cares about Bush. Your threads, on the other hand, are often nothing more than aggressive flamebait (time after time). You even "welcome to the new dictatorship," and you're claiming that I'm the biased one?

 

Sorry I wasn't trying to cherrypick your post or label you, but I do see how it looks like that.

So:

Not everyone has the time or desire for public office.

Not everyone who dislikes this country should move away.

I'm not sure of his previous posts or his feelings about Obama, nor do I care.  Because this seems to be a valid one.

I think it's subject to a healthy debate.  All I am seeing from you is calling his post flamebait, complaining that he posts, telling him that someone will prove him wrong, without once responding to the article or the topic.  Thanks for adding to the thread.

 

Again, you're missing my point. These are only suggestons of things that would be more productive than complaining on Vgchartz's off topic section, not things he should actually do. I don't expect him to do either of those two, but they're be a lot more useful for achieving his goals than just sitting here and trying to stir up flamebait. And since you're spending your time here arguing with me, you're just detracting from the thread as well. Thanks for adding to the thread. Oh wait, that was crude sarcasm just like what you used. I'm doing a service, since I'm not interested in seeing stuff similar to what we saw back in 2008. Just search for some old political threads and tell me if you want a repeat of that.

 

No.  I'm not.  I thought forums were for talking.  You seem to think that everyone should either be an activist or shut up.  Being productive means different things to different people.  And you are right we are derailing this thread, but at least I have commented on the topic at hand.



TheRealMafoo on 22 March 2009
akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

Flame bait?

I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based.

Your thread on the front page:

Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had.

Here is what you said:

Ok, I get that we have different ideologies, and feel that government should play a different role in people's lives. I also realize that does not make one person smarter than the other, just different.

But, this is unbelievable. I think it's obvious that the root cause of our current finical problems is the government incentivizing and guaranteeing loans that banks would otherwise not give. If the government had not stepped in and basically bribed banks to give subprime loans, we would not be in this mess.

Obama knows this. We all know this.

So why would anyone in their right mind think it's a good idea to do it again?

Then you throw out a link to an article which you have not even discussed in the least.  You didn't post any contents from that article or tell anyone what the article was even about.

 

 

That's why I said rarely.



SciFiBoy on 22 March 2009
akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

Flame bait?

I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based.

Your thread on the front page:

Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had.

Here is what you said:

Ok, I get that we have different ideologies, and feel that government should play a different role in people's lives. I also realize that does not make one person smarter than the other, just different.

But, this is unbelievable. I think it's obvious that the root cause of our current finical problems is the government incentivizing and guaranteeing loans that banks would otherwise not give. If the government had not stepped in and basically bribed banks to give subprime loans, we would not be in this mess.

Obama knows this. We all know this.

So why would anyone in their right mind think it's a good idea to do it again?

Then you throw out a link to an article which you have not even discussed in the least.  You didn't post any contents from that article or tell anyone what the article was even about.

 

 

i know, lol, that other thread was pure flame bait, especially the bolded part, i mean wtf? how is that gonna do anything other than cause an argument?



TheRealMafoo on 22 March 2009
SciFiBoy said:
akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

Flame bait?

I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based.

Your thread on the front page:

Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had.

Here is what you said:

Ok, I get that we have different ideologies, and feel that government should play a different role in people's lives. I also realize that does not make one person smarter than the other, just different.

But, this is unbelievable. I think it's obvious that the root cause of our current finical problems is the government incentivizing and guaranteeing loans that banks would otherwise not give. If the government had not stepped in and basically bribed banks to give subprime loans, we would not be in this mess.

Obama knows this. We all know this.

So why would anyone in their right mind think it's a good idea to do it again?

Then you throw out a link to an article which you have not even discussed in the least.  You didn't post any contents from that article or tell anyone what the article was even about.

 

 

i know, lol, that other thread was pure flame bait, especially the bolded part, i mean wtf? how is that gonna do anything other than cause an argument?

 

That post is now 24 pages long, and currently still having a good debate in it. Not sure I would use that article as an example of flame bate.