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TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
Well, at least the DOW has gotten out of the 6000's. I predict that the bottom we recently hit was the lowest we will see the DOW go in the foreseeable future. This is because the financial system doesn't seem to be as bad off as most people thought, or at least will be able to recover quicker than most people thought.

It was looking pretty grim there for awhile.

 

I say in the next few months, we will see the DOW lower then it has been. This local min is just that... local.

What is your argument to that effect?  I don't really see anything in the foreseeable future that will cause the stock market to go belly-up.  You can say that a large deficit in Washington will do it, but there isn't a lot of historical evidence that Wall Street worries about the country running deficits.

 



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If he can convince everyone on the planet that there is not a crisis of confidence in the economy, then by definition there won't be one. So making such a statement is a good idea, in case it works.



akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
Well, at least the DOW has gotten out of the 6000's. I predict that the bottom we recently hit was the lowest we will see the DOW go in the foreseeable future. This is because the financial system doesn't seem to be as bad off as most people thought, or at least will be able to recover quicker than most people thought.

It was looking pretty grim there for awhile.

 

I say in the next few months, we will see the DOW lower then it has been. This local min is just that... local.

What is your argument to that effect?  I don't really see anything in the foreseeable future that will cause the stock market to go belly-up.  You can say that a large deficit in Washington will do it, but there isn't a lot of historical evidence that Wall Street worries about the country running deficits.

 

Well Switzerland is in some serious financial trouble. 

If Switzerland goes bankrupt... that could cause a whole shockwave of new problems.

I mean, the Swiss government doesn't have the money to bail out swiss banks if they need to.  Their two biggest banks balance sheets are like over 10 times larger then the countries GDP.

 



Its a good idea for leaders to have a positive outlook. Regardless of how many people still think otherwise, the majority will likely lean toward the general mood. People also have a high capacity for hope if it is cultivated. His mood shift is definitely needed and will affect economic confidence to some extent, but we'll know eventually what that extent is and if it will do much to slow the progression of the recession or if the recession is at a point with the added programs and aid that the slight shift in confidence will stop its effects.




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blaydcor said:
The only way this sentence can be misinterpreted is if you have a retarded grasp of syntax

 

 

No you.



Though Obama didn't actually say that. That who "on Thursday" bit was what the journalist wrote. Now if Obama had actually mentioned the Thursday part, then you might have some argument... ;-p




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Eventually the economy will stabilize and the market will recover but that probably won’t be happening soon and you should probably prepare for things to get worse ...

By the end of the year the damage from the collapsing housing market and the high foreclosure rate will have worked their way through the system; and then we will start dealing with the damage from a high unemployment rate, loss of consumer confidence, failure of uncompetitive companies (see auto manufacturers), and the massive reduction in capital investment due to lack of credit. When we get through the second wave of problems we will start dealing with the problems caused by an out of control federal reserve, rapidly increasing taxes, massive reductions in government spending, and/or record deficits.

Until we're in a position where the average p/e ratio is between 2 and 5, and/or the typical dividend is in the 12.5% to 25% range I wouldn't make any claims that the market can only go up from here ...



akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
Well, at least the DOW has gotten out of the 6000's. I predict that the bottom we recently hit was the lowest we will see the DOW go in the foreseeable future. This is because the financial system doesn't seem to be as bad off as most people thought, or at least will be able to recover quicker than most people thought.

It was looking pretty grim there for awhile.

 

I say in the next few months, we will see the DOW lower then it has been. This local min is just that... local.

What is your argument to that effect?  I don't really see anything in the foreseeable future that will cause the stock market to go belly-up.  You can say that a large deficit in Washington will do it, but there isn't a lot of historical evidence that Wall Street worries about the country running deficits.

 

 

Inflation is about to rise at levels never seen before in the US. We have injected an insane amount of new money into the economy.

Spending is one thing, printing up trillions of dollars and just dumping it into the economy is another. As inflation rises, companies will fall. For the market to rise, companies have to do well. For the market to drop, they have to do bad. Soon, more banks will fall, GM might fall, some major corporation we are not even thinking about will go into bankruptcy (or 100 of them).

When that happens, the market will fall again. We are decades away from getting out of this, not years. This great depression has just started.



TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
Well, at least the DOW has gotten out of the 6000's. I predict that the bottom we recently hit was the lowest we will see the DOW go in the foreseeable future. This is because the financial system doesn't seem to be as bad off as most people thought, or at least will be able to recover quicker than most people thought.

It was looking pretty grim there for awhile.

 

I say in the next few months, we will see the DOW lower then it has been. This local min is just that... local.

What is your argument to that effect?  I don't really see anything in the foreseeable future that will cause the stock market to go belly-up.  You can say that a large deficit in Washington will do it, but there isn't a lot of historical evidence that Wall Street worries about the country running deficits.

 

 

Inflation is about to rise at levels never seen before in the US. We have injected an insane amount of new money into the economy.

Spending is one thing, printing up trillions of dollars and just dumping it into the economy is another. As inflation rises, companies will fall. For the market to rise, companies have to do well. For the market to drop, they have to do bad. Soon, more banks will fall, GM might fall, some major corporation we are not even thinking about will go into bankruptcy (or 100 of them).

When that happens, the market will fall again. We are decades away from getting out of this, not years. This great depression has just started.

and the new Revolution has only begun.  Amen to modern-day Common Sense, Mafoo.