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totalwar23 said:
blackstar said:
totalwar23 said:
SciFiBoy said:

so bombing a UN school was fair game to you? killing children is also ok to you?

 

Hold on there. When was this?

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/gaza-israel-death-un

Well, apparently, the U.N. school wasn't attacked. The reports are conflicting and there may or may not be militants operating near the school. I don't trust in IDF in anything they say that happens in Gaza but I don't trust the Palestinian side of the matter, either.

 

i trust the UN side of the matter



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SciFiBoy said:
totalwar23 said:
blackstar said:
totalwar23 said:
SciFiBoy said:

so bombing a UN school was fair game to you? killing children is also ok to you?

 

Hold on there. When was this?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/gaza-israel-death-u

ell, apparently, the U.N. school wasn't attacked. The reports are conflicting and there may or may not be militants operating near the school. I don't trust in IDF in anything they say that happens in Gaza but I don't trust the Palestinian side of the matter, eith

 

i trust the UN side of the matter

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/05/2482698.htm

UN retracts claim deadly Israeli strike hit Gaza school

Posted Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:22am AEDT

The United Nations has retracted a claim that an Israeli strike which killed more than 40 people in northern Gaza city of Jabaliya last month hit a school run by a UN agency.

"The humanitarian coordinator would like to clarify that the shelling, and all of the fatalities, took place outside rather than inside the school," the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in its latest weekly update on the situation in Gaza.

 

 

 



totalwar23 said:
SciFiBoy said:
totalwar23 said:
blackstar said:
totalwar23 said:
SciFiBoy said:

so bombing a UN school was fair game to you? killing children is also ok to you?

 

Hold on there. When was this?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/gaza-israel-death-u

ell, apparently, the U.N. school wasn't attacked. The reports are conflicting and there may or may not be militants operating near the school. I don't trust in IDF in anything they say that happens in Gaza but I don't trust the Palestinian side of the matter, eith

 

i trust the UN side of the matter

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/05/2482698.htm

UN retracts claim deadly Israeli strike hit Gaza school

Posted Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:22am AEDT

The United Nations has retracted a claim that an Israeli strike which killed more than 40 people in northern Gaza city of Jabaliya last month hit a school run by a UN agency.

"The humanitarian coordinator would like to clarify that the shelling, and all of the fatalities, took place outside rather than inside the school," the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in its latest weekly update on the situation in Gaza.

 

 

 

ok, i stand corrected

 



SciFiBoy said:
totalwar23 said:

ttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/05/2482698.htm

UN retracts claim deadly Israeli strike hit Gaza school

Posted Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:22am AEDT

The United Nations has retracted a claim that an Israeli strike which killed more than 40 people in northern Gaza city of Jabaliya last month hit a school run by a UN agency.

"The humanitarian coordinator would like to clarify that the shelling, and all of the fatalities, took place outside rather than inside the school," the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in its latest weekly update on the situation in Gaza.

 

 

 

ok, i stand corrected

 

Look, even without the U.N. school shelling, you can criticize Israel for the rest of the civilian deaths they inflicted among the Palestinian cilivians, as well the crippling blockade over Gaza. Yet, at the same time, the International Criminal Court just indicted Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir, the president of Sudan for war crimes against humanity for his actions over Darfur, where the Sudanese government killed somewhere around 400,000 people for not being Arab? (Correct me on that, I don't know the whole story)

And yet, Hamas and Iran, who called the Gaza operation a massacre, or atrocity, or a Holocaust, or somewhere that line, said they were going to defend this guy. Do we even care about Sudan? For Israel to launch a military operation that killed around 1500 people, maybe half were civilians depending on whatever sources you pick, I found the public reaction to be rather surprising and some were even calling it a genocide, which is laughable.

Yeah, some IDF soldiers probably did commit atrocities but so did Palestinian militants in their fight against Israel and so did American troops in Iraq. Go back to the Vietnam War, and you find plenty of atrocities commited by U.S. troops, NVA soldiers, South Vietnamese soldiers, the Vietcong and at the end of the war, you find somewhere around 5 million cilivians dead. Really bad, huh? The IDF didn't do anything near that. I do think Israel gets away with a lot of stuff but at the same time, they seemed to be criticize more harshly than anybody else. Perhaps those two things are related, I don't know.

 

 



totalwar23 said:
SciFiBoy said:
totalwar23 said:

ttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/05/2482698.htm

UN retracts claim deadly Israeli strike hit Gaza school

Posted Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:22am AEDT

The United Nations has retracted a claim that an Israeli strike which killed more than 40 people in northern Gaza city of Jabaliya last month hit a school run by a UN agency.

"The humanitarian coordinator would like to clarify that the shelling, and all of the fatalities, took place outside rather than inside the school," the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in its latest weekly update on the situation in Gaza.

 

 

 

ok, i stand corrected

 

Look, even without the U.N. school shelling, you can criticize Israel for the rest of the civilian deaths they inflicted among the Palestinian cilivians, as well the crippling blockade over Gaza. Yet, at the same time, the International Criminal Court just indicted Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir, the president of Sudan for war crimes against humanity for his actions over Darfur, where the Sudanese government killed somewhere around 400,000 people for not being Arab? (Correct me on that, I don't know the whole story)

And yet, Hamas and Iran, who called the Gaza operation a massacre, or atrocity, or a Holocaust, or somewhere that line, said they were going to defend this guy. Do we even care about Sudan? For Israel to launch a military operation that killed around 1500 people, maybe half were civilians depending on whatever sources you pick, I found the public reaction to be rather surprising and some were even calling it a genocide, which is laughable.

Yeah, some IDF soldiers probably did commit atrocities but so did Palestinian militants in their fight against Israel and so did American troops in Iraq. Go back to the Vietnam War, and you find plenty of atrocities commited by U.S. troops, NVA soldiers, South Vietnamese soldiers, the Vietcong and at the end of the war, you find somewhere around 5 million cilivians dead. Really bad, huh? The IDF didn't do anything near that. I do think Israel gets away with a lot of stuff but at the same time, they seemed to be criticize more harshly than anybody else. Perhaps those two things are related, I don't know.

 

 

as ive mentioned many times, im opposed to any forms of terrorism and any sort of ethnic cleansing or genocide, i believe that war should only be used as a last resort by any nation, i will allways oppose war crimes, without fail, i aspire to world peace as all humans should

 



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I think Israel should pay some other Arab country to just take the Palestinains.

The Jews aren't leaving Israel, and the Arabs can't make them. All they can do is die trying.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
I think Israel should pay some other Arab country to just take the Palestinains.

The Jews aren't leaving Israel, and the Arabs can't make them. All they can do is die trying.

 

i have no issue with the Israeli nations existence

you have a fairly poor opinion of the arabs, there not all terrorists you know



SciFiBoy said:
Tyrannical said:
I think Israel should pay some other Arab country to just take the Palestinains.

The Jews aren't leaving Israel, and the Arabs can't make them. All they can do is die trying.

 

i have no issue with the Israeli nations existence

you have a fairly poor opinion of the arabs, there not all terrorists you know

I can't see them coexisting peacefuly.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

SciFiBoy said:
totalwar23 said:
SciFiBoy said:
totalwar23 said:

ttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/05/2482698.htm

UN retracts claim deadly Israeli strike hit Gaza school

Posted Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:22am AEDT

The United Nations has retracted a claim that an Israeli strike which killed more than 40 people in northern Gaza city of Jabaliya last month hit a school run by a UN agency.

"The humanitarian coordinator would like to clarify that the shelling, and all of the fatalities, took place outside rather than inside the school," the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in its latest weekly update on the situation in Gaza.

 

 

 

ok, i stand corrected

 

Look, even without the U.N. school shelling, you can criticize Israel for the rest of the civilian deaths they inflicted among the Palestinian cilivians, as well the crippling blockade over Gaza. Yet, at the same time, the International Criminal Court just indicted Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir, the president of Sudan for war crimes against humanity for his actions over Darfur, where the Sudanese government killed somewhere around 400,000 people for not being Arab? (Correct me on that, I don't know the whole story)

And yet, Hamas and Iran, who called the Gaza operation a massacre, or atrocity, or a Holocaust, or somewhere that line, said they were going to defend this guy. Do we even care about Sudan? For Israel to launch a military operation that killed around 1500 people, maybe half were civilians depending on whatever sources you pick, I found the public reaction to be rather surprising and some were even calling it a genocide, which is laughable.

Yeah, some IDF soldiers probably did commit atrocities but so did Palestinian militants in their fight against Israel and so did American troops in Iraq. Go back to the Vietnam War, and you find plenty of atrocities commited by U.S. troops, NVA soldiers, South Vietnamese soldiers, the Vietcong and at the end of the war, you find somewhere around 5 million cilivians dead. Really bad, huh? The IDF didn't do anything near that. I do think Israel gets away with a lot of stuff but at the same time, they seemed to be criticize more harshly than anybody else. Perhaps those two things are related, I don't know.

 

 

as ive mentioned many times, im opposed to any forms of terrorism and any sort of ethnic cleansing or genocide, i believe that war should only be used as a last resort by any nation, i will allways oppose war crimes, without fail, i aspire to world peace as all humans should

 

Then you should be mad at Hamas... as most of the civilian casualties during this conflcit are there fault.  They say directly that they use civilians as human shields on purpose so the civilian death total is inflated and other countries look bad.

What the isolated IDF soldiers did was bad... but that's just what happens in war.  You can't find a single army who's clean of that stuff.

It's not like Hamas where the actual intent is to use people as human shields and attack civilians directly.