hell yeah, its part of this generation! The best part.
I apologise for starting the GC/PS2 graphics thing. I honestly thought we were beyond that now.
And WereKitten has seemed to ignore my post about video games not being technology as much as they are toys, or at least that part of the post, the important part. I just think that needs to be pointed out as much as possible.
VIDEO GAMES ARE TOYS.
"Now, a fun game should always be easy to understand - you should be able to take one look at it and know what you have to do straight away. It should be so well constructed that you can tell at a glance what your goal is and, even if you don’t succeed, you’ll blame yourself rather than the game. Moreover, the people standing around watching the game have also got to be able to enjoy it." - Shiggy
| burgerstein said: I apologise for starting the GC/PS2 graphics thing. I honestly thought we were beyond that now. And WereKitten has seemed to ignore my post about video games not being technology as much as they are toys, or at least that part of the post, the important part. I just think that needs to be pointed out as much as possible. VIDEO GAMES ARE TOYS. |
Do you mean that the Wii can contain last-gen parts (obviously this is not what it has) and still be a current-gen system?
@ Khuutra
What I mean is that video games shouldn't be judged on the same criteria as a nuclear reactor. I guess it could mean that too. After all, the old PS3s contained PS2 parts. The point is video games aren't all about technology, they're about fun. Although in terms of efficiency and noise reduction the Wii is more advanced than the HD twins.
"Now, a fun game should always be easy to understand - you should be able to take one look at it and know what you have to do straight away. It should be so well constructed that you can tell at a glance what your goal is and, even if you don’t succeed, you’ll blame yourself rather than the game. Moreover, the people standing around watching the game have also got to be able to enjoy it." - Shiggy
@burgerstein
Sorry, but I didn't answer that particular point because I didn't think it was very relevant at first, then I was away until now. The fact that I say that consoles should be classified as technological objects doesn't imply in any way that I think that the newer the generation, the better the experience of gaming.
One similitude: we can debate about the newest generation of digital cameras. But nobody is saying that their appearance means that the photographers will eclipse the like of Cartier-Bresson, who shot in black and white and with manual focus all his life.
One personal aspect: the console I play most at the time is my PS2, not my PS3 nor my Wii. I still keep looking for PS1 games that I want to keep in my collection, and lately I played all over again MGS and Silent Hill (1). Great games, whenever they came out.
I can't see why we shouldn't be able on one side to consider openly the evolution of the technological means, and on the other side to appreciate what the authors realize with those means.
And let's stop hiding behind the idea that the technology became "good enough" about the time of the N64 or GC and a mystical "gameplay" quality supplies anything from that point on. The NES and super NES had great games, but Ocarina of Time could not be done on them. The N64 had some of the greatest games ever, but for Shadow of the Colossus it wasn't enough technologically - and the game is a piece of art.
If a game author wants to give me a wonderful game where the NPCs react with a great AI, the Wii may be not enough, either.
And so on: technology does not bring us places, that's for the games to do. But it widens the horizon of what is doable, and lets the authors glimpse at faraway kingdoms.
I for one can't wait to play the next Team Ico game, to replay Shadow of the Colossus, and to replay my Magnetic Scrolls adventure games (circa 1986). But I am glad that a console was developed that made Flower possible.
the2bears said:
Not compared to the PS2, though.
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LOL, even SGEA admited PS2 was more powerfull than Dreamcast
| angrypoolman said: the single most deciding factor is, like many other people have said, is the time span in which it was released. i could turn this argument on its head in the same way by saying the 360 and ps3 belong in the sixth gen because they have no real upgrades in the way you play whereas the wii does. i mean think about it, the nes to the super/genesis era, we got shoulder buttons and an x and y button. the 64/ps1 era, we got rumble, an analog stick, and more trigger buttons. the xbox/ps2/gamecube era, we got dual analog. 360 and ps3 offer... what? their controllers had no upgrades in them what so ever whereas nintendo actually got off their asses and incorporated motion sensing. nintendo is the only one that makes any improvements to the way you play. the only thing it didnt create was dual analog. |
PS3's sixaxis is wireless and it has montion control. We didnt see that in last gen.
Well, the Wavebird was wireless, though it's true that there was no motion controls last gen except for a few GBA games.
There was a WarioWare game along these lines, yes?
| Gilgamesh said: If Sony or Microsoft release motion controllers similar to the Wii, I'll give up gaming forever :( |
NO you won't. Then motion controllers will be the best thing since sliced bread.
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averyblund said: You can add interactive control to that list as well in about 5 years. |
So true. You can also add hollo decks in 200 years.